Pre-Diabetes Question

Is this something (BYETTA) I could take for weight loss/pre-diabetes
with my Metformin?
And has anyone been on a brand of Metformin that made them nauseated and
he/she had to throw up? My Dr. has changed my brand of Met.
Is Byetta easy to use?

Vicki

26 Responses to “Pre-Diabetes Question”

  1. Rafael Fe Says:

    Listen I was really strident in my last reply. I apologize. I’m pretty emotional
    about this whole diabetes thing right now. I have a friend I’ve loved for 25
    years who is today in the hospital with staph from a wound in his foot. They’ve
    been carving up his leg for two weeks trying to stop the spread. He’s in partial
    kidney failure, and today they’re talking about just chopping his whole leg off
    to stop the infection. He’s been diabetic for 35 years, and he never took care
    of himself. He’s had no feeling in his feet for about 7 years, and now he’s in
    serious serious trouble. Sorry for the hard line. Thanks -Carol

    Is this something (BYETTA) I could take for weight loss/pre-diabetes
    with my Metformin?
    And has anyone been on a brand of Metformin that made them nauseated and
    he/she had to throw up? My Dr. has changed my brand of Met.
    Is Byetta easy to use?


    Vicki

  2. Rafael Fe Says:

    This is something that always gets to me - there is no such thing as
    "pre-diabetes" or "borderline diabetes". The current standard of care is you
    either are diabetic or you aren’t. And in almost all cases, once you’ve been
    diagnosed, you’ve been diabetic for at least a few years without knowing it. My
    sister has a friend whos doctor put her on Metformin but gave her no diet
    information or orders to check blood sugar. Just told her that her "sugar is a
    little high". My sister tried to explain to her the hard truth about diabetes
    but her friend got very angry, refused to talk with her for days. It makes us so
    sad because she’s just damaging her kidneys and blood vessels by taking this
    outdated medical advise from her 65 year old doctor. If you’re on Metformin
    you’re certainly diabetic. Diet, exercise, blood sugar monitoring, and in most
    cases medication are medically necessary. Also, all diabetics should be on an
    anti-hypertensive (even if they don’t have high bp), a low dose daily aspirin
    (unless there is a clotting disorder), and many need a cholesterol lowering
    drug, too.

    Also - I couldn’t take Metformin regardless of the brand - horrible nausea and
    even worse diarrhea. I changed to Actos and have done great for five years -
    A1c’s are never above 5.2. My sister does Byetta and Metformin. Had some weight
    loss at first but that tapered off quickly. I think the weight loss is different
    for everyone. She does have the ongoing problem of nausea/vomiting if she waits
    too long to eat after her shot, or eats too much. BUT her A1c’s have inched
    downin the last year into the 6 range (from 10!!) and keep getting better. She
    says Byetta is a breeze to use, that the only hassle is figuring out what works
    with your lifestyle as far as keeping it cool when away from home. She LOVES her
    Byetta. -Carol

    Is this something (BYETTA) I could take for weight loss/pre-diabetes
    with my Metformin?
    And has anyone been on a brand of Metformin that made them nauseated and
    he/she had to throw up? My Dr. has changed my brand of Met.
    Is Byetta easy to use?

    Vicki

  3. Patricia Petty Says:

    Hi Vicki,

    I’m not real sure I understand what you are asking as Metformin is the
    generic of Glucophage so there is no BRAND of metformin, metformin is the
    brand. Do you know what he changed you to? Also, the byetta manufacturer
    recommends that you be on a oral diabetic drug (usually metformin) at the
    same time you are taking byetta.

    Metformin is notorious for causing gastric upset. Mostly Diarrhea but it
    can cause nausea as well. Believe me….lol…

    Byetta is moderately easy to use as far as the actual injection goes. But
    there is also blood glucose testing that needs to be done, as well as
    adjustments to diet. These vary from person to person. I hope this answers
    your questions. If you have more don’t hesitate to ask.

    Demetria-Beth

    Is this something (BYETTA) I could take for weight loss/pre-diabetes
    with my Metformin?
    And has anyone been on a brand of Metformin that made them nauseated and
    he/she had to throw up? My Dr. has changed my brand of Met.
    Is Byetta easy to use?

    Vicki

  4. Dwain Palmer Says:

    As you can see there are some pretty strong ideas here about what is and
    isn’t diabetes.

    I too don’t buy the "pre-diabetes" stuff, and I don’t care what the
    marketing company ADA has to say about it. I have no faith in that
    association.

    Just curious as to what you accept as "never high: "I’ve always had my
    A1c done and it was never high".

  5. Rafael Fe Says:

    Due respect to differing interpretations. But I fall on the side with DaveO. I
    didn’t mean to imply that anyone here particularly has a "old" doctor - it just
    happens that the friend who we know who is getting bad information does have
    one. Not only old, but old school! :)
    The ADA may be one of the biggest dangers there is out there for diabetics! I
    had ADA based "diabetes education classes" when I was first diagnosed. Their
    recommendation for carbs was outrageous! I don’t remember the exact numbers but
    it was somewhere in the range of 65 breakfast, 50 lunch, 60 supper, 15 nighttime
    snack. I told them that if I ate that many carbs a day I would be unable to wake
    up. They said NO NO you MUST have this many carbs to feed your brain! What a
    load of hooey. Also, they tell me my a1c goal should be less than 7. Are they
    KIDDING? I always felt my goal should be ‘normal’. As in what non-diabetics
    have. And that sure isn’t 7. So I always worked toward less than 6, and my goal
    now is to always be as close to 5 as possible. The ADA is indeed a marketing

    organization - a trade group - and while I don’t want to go all world conspiracy
    of you folks, their goals are no necessarily what your goals should be.

    Think of it like public schools. Their goal is to address the needs of the
    lowest common denominator. But as a student, wouldn’t your personal goal be to
    graduate first in the class? I guess it has to do with working for an A+ or
    settling for a C. And I define A+ as keeping my feet til I die, along with my
    vision, my kidneys, and hopefully, never having to shoot insulin.

    As you can see there are some pretty strong ideas here about what is and
    isn’t diabetes.

    I too don’t buy the "pre-diabetes" stuff, and I don’t care what the
    marketing company ADA has to say about it. I have no faith in that
    association.

    Just curious as to what you accept as "never high: "I’ve always had my
    A1c done and it was never high".

    The AACE (American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists) have, in
    the time that I’ve been diabetic gone from a recommendation of <7.0 to
    (I think) 6.0 or under. I know it was 6.5 but I think it is even lower now.

    This is a disease that many times the patient has to do most of the
    doctoring/research as many doctors are just not up on latest treatments.

    How often do you test? You just might be missing a lot of higher readings.

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  6. Hugh Devin Says:

    I would just like to comment on taking Metformin regardless of having
    diabetes…I have Poly Cystic Ovarian Syndrome which is an androgen disorder.
    After 12 years of never having regular menstrual cycles but mind you normal BS
    and A1C’s, I went to yet a different DR who immediately put me on Metformin
    (with no BS testing etc) and low and behold I had normal cycles for the 1st time
    in over 12 years. It’s unfortunate that with PCOS we are predisposed to Type II
    diabetes, high blood pressure and high cholesterol.

    Sounds like your sisters friend just needs some time to realize what is
    happening to her. I am sure there is a number of us here, myself included that
    were in denial for a period of time. But I do believe at least in my case that
    I was pre diabetic due to PCOS. It took years for my A1C to rise above 7, 7.1
    being the highest it ever got which was this summer. But that is just my
    opinion. :-)

    Tami

    Also - I couldn’t take Metformin regardless of the brand - horrible nausea and
    even worse diarrhea. I changed to Actos and have done great for five years -
    A1c’s are never above 5.2. My sister does Byetta and Metformin. Had some weight
    loss at first but that tapered off quickly. I think the weight loss is different
    for everyone. She does have the ongoing problem of nausea/vomiting if she waits
    too long to eat after her shot, or eats too much. BUT her A1c’s have inched
    downin the last year into the 6 range (from 10!!) and keep getting better. She
    says Byetta is a breeze to use, that the only hassle is figuring out what works
    with your lifestyle as far as keeping it cool when away from home. She LOVES her
    Byetta. -Carol

    Is this something (BYETTA) I could take for weight loss/pre-diabetes
    with my Metformin?
    And has anyone been on a brand of Metformin that made them nauseated and
    he/she had to throw up? My Dr. has changed my brand of Met.
    Is Byetta easy to use?

    Vicki

    [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

  7. Kelvin Janessa Says:

    Vicki,
    I experienced several of the listed side effects of metformin:
    - metallic taste in the mouth
    - mild diarrhea
    - lose of appetite

    For me, these were manageable and tapered off in a couple of weeks. But if
    anything I’ve learned on this track toward type-2 management… "your milage
    will vary".

    Without Byetta, on metformin alone, I lost 30# in about 4 months!

    But, like common table salt, I can’t imagine one brand of metformin being
    different from another. It is also availabe as a generic drug.


    Perhaps you could ease into your prescribed dose by taking 1/2 of it for the
    first week or so, before moving to the full dose?

    Steve

  8. Patricia Petty Says:

    Hi CB

    Just wanted to let you know that you shouldn’t believe everthing the ADA
    tells you, especially regarding nutrition.

    Demetria-Beth

    I’m thrown off by the statement that there is no such thing as
    "pre-diabetes." My doctor isn’t old or out-of-date on his treatment
    methods and he
    described my condition as "pre-diabetic." I’m very overweight, but I have
    excellent blood pressure (108/70) and only slightly high cholesterol. My
    weight has
    messed up my thyroid though, and so I have blood work done every three
    months. With this blood work I’ve always had my A1c done and it was never

    high–not until the last blood test I had in August. So I haven’t been
    diabetic for
    years without knowing it. I’m in the beginning stages of developing
    diabetes. If I don’t change my lifestyle I will have full-blown diabetes
    in the
    very near future. This is why my doctor put me on Byetta at the end of
    November, to help promote healthy weight loss and regulate my BG, which has
    very
    rarely tested high at home (only one or twice).

    Anyway, the Byetta has been working out great for me. I’m losing weight,
    which motivates me to push harder at the gym. I understand that the term
    "pre-diabetes" might seem like it’s shrugging off the issue, but I took it
    very
    seriously. I don’t want to kill myself with food or with medication to
    balance
    out the damage I do to my body with food. I’m just glad I can reverse the
    damage I’ve done and hopefully when I go for my blood work in the coming
    months these changes will show.

    I don’t know. Just a different point of view on the issue.

    -CB

    05 Byetta
    50 Synthroid

    This is something that always gets to me - there is no such thing as
    "pre-diabetes" or "borderline diabetes". The current standard of care is you
    either
    are diabetic or you aren’t. And in almost all cases, once you’ve been
    diagnosed, you’ve been diabetic for at least a few years without knowing it.
    My
    sister has a friend whos doctor put her on Metformin but gave her no diet
    information or orders to check blood sugar. Just told her that her "sugar is
    a
    little high". My sister tried to explain to her the hard truth about
    diabetes but
    her friend got very angry, refused to talk with her for days. It makes us
    so
    sad because she’s just damaging her kidneys and blood vessels by taking
    this
    outdated medical advise from her 65 year old doctor. If you’re on Metformin

    you’re certainly diabetic. Diet, exercise, blood sugar monitoring, and in
    most
    cases medication are medically necessary. Also, all diabetics should be on
    an anti-hypertensive (even if they don’t have high bp), a low dose daily
    aspirin (unless there is a clotting disorder), and many need a cholesterol
    lowering drug, too.

    Also - I couldn’t take Metformin regardless of the brand - horrible nausea
    and even worse diarrhea. I changed to Actos and have done great for five
    years
    - A1c’s are never above 5.2. My sister does Byetta and Metformin. Had some
    weight loss at first but that tapered off quickly. I think the weight loss
    is
    different for everyone. She does have the ongoing problem of
    nausea/vomiting
    if she waits too long to eat after her shot, or eats too much. BUT her
    A1c’s
    have inched downin the last year into the 6 range (from 10!!) and keep
    getting better. She says Byetta is a breeze to use, that the only hassle is

    figuring out what works with your lifestyle as far as keeping it cool when
    away from
    home. She LOVES her Byetta. -Carol

    [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

  9. Patricia Petty Says:

    Hi CB

    I don’t want to let any of the air out of your balloon, but I would really
    advise you to be testing MORE not less. Until you know what foods you can
    eat, you really need to test, test test. Then you will have a better handle
    on your health. You want to make sure that what you are eating allows you
    to return to your pre-meal bg#’s within 2 hours. Some say 1 hour. But I go
    for 2. Here is an ideal schedule for testing

    Upon Awaking (this allows you to see if you have that pesky "Dawn Syndrome"
    1 hours after breakfast
    2 hours after breakfast
    Before lunch
    1 hour after lunch
    2 hours after lunch

    Before Supper
    1 hour after supper
    2 hours after supper
    Before bedtime

    This will let you know what your post prandial #’s are and how rapidly you
    return to your pre-meal readings. Doing this for a week or so, will show
    you a broader picture of your blood glucose picture. I would recommend also
    keeping a food journal with carb counts so you can see what foods raise you
    bg too much, and you can avoid those.

    I want to say that I feel for you. Getting the news that you are
    diabetic…or even on your way to becoming diabetic can seem kinda unreal.
    It’s not fair and it’s not fun. But hey….we’re still upright and sucking
    air, so we have to take care to do what we can to keep the damage to our
    bodies to a minimum. And there are those that have reversed type 2 and no
    longer have to take any meds at all. It is hard work. It takes Time, and
    it takes a commitment to your health. My brother died at the age of 36
    because he felt it was "too much trouble" to test, and to follow a diet
    plan, and to exercise. There are days when I’m mad as hell that I can’t
    have exactly what I want to eat, or that I have to carry around that blasted
    meter, or fix the thermos for my byetta, but HEY….It’s a lot better than
    the consequences! I want you to know that you are in my thoughts and if I
    can do anything to help, just let me know.

    Fencible39–

    Hey.

    Before I started the Byetta I tested in the morning before and after eating

    and then again before bed 5 days a week. Since starting the Byetta in late
    November I test before injecting myself in the morning, then again around
    lunchtime, and before bed 5 days a week. When I first started the Byetta I
    tested
    my levels like crazy, just out of curiosity to see the changes. Hell, if
    diabetes didn’t scare me enough as it is … just the thought of pricking
    my
    finger three times a day for the rest of my life would! =D I do hope to
    start
    testing only three days out of the week after I see my doctor/endo in a
    couple of months. With my luck they’ll tell me to test 7 instead of 5!
    lol

    As for the professional blood test, my A1C was 6.2 in November when I was
    tested, and the August before that it was 6.0 (or possibly 5.8/5.9 I’d have
    to
    look it up). Before last August I typically tested between 4.5 - 5.5.
    This
    is going back to my freshman year of college 5 years ago.

    When I saw my endo in November, she mentioned that 7.0 was the old standard

    for the a1c, but that 6.5 was currently the accepted number, and of course
    the lower the better. I have read a lot online about 6.0 coming up as a
    standard, especially with the newish terminology (pre-diabetes, etc).

    Anyway, I’m very "on top" of my health situation, mostly because of my
    control-freak tenancies. =D I honestly think that the term pre-diabetes
    was
    coined merely to make a distinction between the varying levels of diabetes.

    It’s an arbitrary line in the sand for many people. For me, however, it’s
    what
    I am. Pre-diabetic is the term I’m using right now and it fits my condition

    for the time being. I mean … I’d rather my doctor tell me that with a
    reading of 6.2 I’m "slightly" diabetic, "pre-diabetic" or just out right
    diabetic than have him wait for my A1C to reach 6.5+.

    - CB

    As you can see there are some pretty strong ideas here about what is and
    isn’t diabetes.

    I too don’t buy the "pre-diabetes" stuff, and I don’t care what the
    marketing company ADA has to say about it. I have no faith in that
    association.

    Just curious as to what you accept as "never high: "I’ve always had my
    A1c done and it was never high".

    The AACE (American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists) have, in
    the time that I’ve been diabetic gone from a recommendation of <7.0 to
    (I think) 6.0 or under. I know it was 6.5 but I think it is even lower now.

    This is a disease that many times the patient has to do most of the
    doctoring/research as many doctors are just not up on latest treatments.

    How often do you test? You just might be missing a lot of higher readings.

    [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

  10. Neva Marjory Says:

    I was on a certain generic of Metformin and I must have changed drugstores
    and/or manufacturers because I started throwing-up now and then. We don’t know
    if this was from the Met really or my generic of the BP drug Zestoretic got
    changed to another man. the same time. My Dr. already knew I got the "Ace Cough"
    from that drug.
    Anyway, he gave me several bottles of GLUMETZA Metformin. He said certain kinds
    are rougher on the system. That’s what he switched me to. (And BP med was
    switched to Hyzaar).
    Vicki

  11. Neva Marjory Says:

    Carol,
    I don’t know the opinion of most in the medical community itself, but my
    former Dr. and others do seem to think there is a condition called pre-diabetes
    and that if if treated you won’t develop full-blown diabetes.
    He runs a Diabetes and Lipids clinic.
    Why do ypu feel so strongly about this? What happened?
    Vicki

  12. Neva Marjory Says:

    Carol,
    I don’t know the opinion of most in the medical community itself, but my
    former Dr. and others do seem to think there is a condition called pre-diabetes
    and that if if treated you won’t develop full-blown diabetes.
    He runs a Diabetes and Lipids clinic.
    Why do ypu feel so strongly about this? What happened?
    Vicki

  13. keely2 Says:

    Good, solid comments. Thanks. Kathy, MN

    The ADA is not the only organization that gives a definition for
    pre-diabetes, and they are by far not the only source for the term. I first
    heard it
    from my doctor. In regard to the ADA itself, I haven’t had any personal
    experiences with them, but I take everything I read online with a grain of salt.
    No
    one cares about my health as much as I do (except my mother, of course …
    haha). =D

    And, yeah, I do think that everyone should strive for their own personal
    best. Work for the A+, don’t settle for the C. However, that A+ is different
    things to different people. Even the "lowest common denominator" have goals.
    Some people work just as hard for their C’s as other’s do for their A+’s.

    I’d rather people take the ADA’s advice and fight to keep their A1C under 7
    than not do anything at all.

    I’d also like to point out that the official ADA statement back in August
    said:

    "Our consensus is that an A1C of 7% should serve as a call to action to
    initiate or change therapy with the goal of achieving an A1C level as close to
    the nondiabetic range as possible or, ****at a minimum,**** decreasing the A1C
    to less than 7%."

    Less really is more! ;-)
    I agree with you about the carb issue, though. I don’t want to sound all
    world conspiracy either, but it is suspicious that in their report they
    advocated eating more carbs and taking more drugs earlier. I’m biased though
    because
    I’m not comfortable with the amount of drugs prescribed in America. I
    "suffer from depression/anxiety" and when I spoke to my doctor about it within
    the
    first five minutes of the conversation he’d already written me a
    prescription for Paxil and Xanax. Neither helped me. The paxil actually made the
    depression worse. I’m by no means anti-drug. My good friend takes Paxil and it
    sincerely helps him and my brother takes Zoloft with the same results. It’s
    just that drugs aren’t a cure-all. You can take all the drugs in the world,
    but if you don’t change the behavior that is hurting you (such as over eating)
    nothing is going to help. This of course doesn’t apply to people who are
    born diabetic or who develop it for non-behavior-based reasons.

    I’m going to stop rambling now.

    - CB

    Due respect to differing interpretations. But I fall on the side with DaveO.
    I didn’t mean to imply that anyone here particularly has a "old" doctor - it
    just happens that the friend who we know who is getting bad information does
    have one. Not only old, but old school! :)
    The ADA may be one of the biggest dangers there is out there for diabetics!
    I had ADA based "diabetes education classes" when I was first diagnosed.
    Their recommendation for carbs was outrageous! I don’t remember the exact
    numbers
    but it was somewhere in the range of 65 breakfast, 50 lunch, 60 supper, 15
    nighttime snack. I told them that if I ate that many carbs a day I would be
    unable to wake up. They said NO NO you MUST have this many carbs to feed your
    brain! What a load of hooey. Also, they tell me my a1c goal should be less
    than 7. Are they KIDDING? I always felt my goal should be ‘normal’. As in what
    non-diabetics have. And that sure isn’t 7. So I always worked toward less than
    6, and my goal now is to always be as close to 5 as possible. The ADA is
    indeed a marketing organization - a trade group - and while I don’t want to go
    all world conspiracy of you folks, their goals are no necessarily what your
    goals should be.

    Think of it like public schools. Their goal is to address the needs of the
    lowest common denominator. But as a student, wouldn’t your personal goal be to
    graduate first in the class? I guess it has to do with working for an A+ or
    settling for a C. And I define A+ as keeping my feet til I die, along with my
    vision, my kidneys, and hopefully, never having to shoot insulin.

    [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

  14. Traci Mcgee Says:

    If you’re on Metformin you’re certainly diabetic. Diet, exercise, blood sugar
    monitoring, and in most cases medication are medically necessary. Also, all
    diabetics should be on an anti-hypertensive (even if they don’t have high bp), a
    low dose daily aspirin (unless there is a clotting disorder), and many need a
    cholesterol lowering drug, too.

    I agree that pre-diabetes is probably an uninformed doctor. However not
    everyone needs blood preasure medications. I am 40. I do not have blood
    pressure issues. I was diet and exercise controlled for years. I would like to
    avoid extra meds until needed. My cholesterol is fine. I do take a low dose
    aspirin since I am over 40. When I read something I go in and ask him if it is
    something I should be doing. I think it is important to find a doctor that you

  15. Therese Key Says:

    If you’re diagnosed with "pre-diabetes" do most insurance companies
    pay the same as if your diagnosis is "diabetes?" I know doctors have
    to code everything meticulously for insurance submittal. I wonder if
    you are first diagnosed with "pre-diabetes" and if you eventually
    develop full "diabetes" if insurance companies will treat this as a
    condition you brought upon yourself. Just something to think about. I
    don’t trust insurance companies. :)

  16. Patricia Petty Says:

    LOL…Yep…Good Ole Mama’s! CB….I agree with you completely! You have
    to be in charge of your health care because only YOU know how things work
    for you. I take 6 different meds. Byetta and Metformin for the diabetes,
    Lisinopril for kidney health, Yasmine (birth control) and Lexapro for
    depression. I take so much that I really need that I will hardly take an
    Advil for a headache. I’d rather hurt a little bit then introduce another
    chemical into my body. And when I go to the Dr.. she pulls her prescription
    pad out before I’m even through talking to her. It’s unbelievable. I am
    not totally against the ADA but their Nutrition advice is totally out of
    whack. If I ate as many carbs as they recommended, I would never get below
    a 7 A1c without insulin therapy. And I want to avoid that if at all
    possible. Why would I want to add a medicine just so I could eat more
    carbs? Doesn’t make sense. It would be wonderful if I could eat all the
    cake and Ice Cream and Fruit that I wanted, but I can’t without adding more
    meds. It’s just not worth it. So, All that to say….Amen….LOL

    Demetria-Beth

    The ADA is not the only organization that gives a definition for
    pre-diabetes, and they are by far not the only source for the term. I
    first heard it
    from my doctor. In regard to the ADA itself, I haven’t had any personal
    experiences with them, but I take everything I read online with a grain of
    salt. No
    one cares about my health as much as I do (except my mother, of course …
    haha). =D

    And, yeah, I do think that everyone should strive for their own personal
    best. Work for the A+, don’t settle for the C. However, that A+ is
    different
    things to different people. Even the "lowest common denominator" have
    goals.
    Some people work just as hard for their C’s as other’s do for their A+’s.
    I’d rather people take the ADA’s advice and fight to keep their A1C under 7

    than not do anything at all.

    I’d also like to point out that the official ADA statement back in August
    said:

    "Our consensus is that an A1C of 7% should serve as a call to action to
    initiate or change therapy with the goal of achieving an A1C level as close
    to
    the nondiabetic range as possible or, ****at a minimum,**** decreasing the
    A1C
    to less than 7%."

    Less really is more! ;-)
    I agree with you about the carb issue, though. I don’t want to sound all
    world conspiracy either, but it is suspicious that in their report they
    advocated eating more carbs and taking more drugs earlier. I’m biased
    though because
    I’m not comfortable with the amount of drugs prescribed in America. I
    "suffer from depression/anxiety" and when I spoke to my doctor about it
    within the
    first five minutes of the conversation he’d already written me a
    prescription for Paxil and Xanax. Neither helped me. The paxil actually
    made the
    depression worse. I’m by no means anti-drug. My good friend takes Paxil
    and it
    sincerely helps him and my brother takes Zoloft with the same results.
    It’s
    just that drugs aren’t a cure-all. You can take all the drugs in the
    world,
    but if you don’t change the behavior that is hurting you (such as over
    eating)
    nothing is going to help. This of course doesn’t apply to people who are
    born diabetic or who develop it for non-behavior-based reasons.

    I’m going to stop rambling now.

    - CB

    Due respect to differing interpretations. But I fall on the side with
    DaveO.
    I didn’t mean to imply that anyone here particularly has a "old" doctor -
    it
    just happens that the friend who we know who is getting bad information
    does
    have one. Not only old, but old school! :)
    The ADA may be one of the biggest dangers there is out there for diabetics!

    I had ADA based "diabetes education classes" when I was first diagnosed.
    Their recommendation for carbs was outrageous! I don’t remember the exact
    numbers
    but it was somewhere in the range of 65 breakfast, 50 lunch, 60 supper, 15
    nighttime snack. I told them that if I ate that many carbs a day I would be

    unable to wake up. They said NO NO you MUST have this many carbs to feed
    your
    brain! What a load of hooey. Also, they tell me my a1c goal should be less
    than 7. Are they KIDDING? I always felt my goal should be ‘normal’. As in
    what
    non-diabetics have. And that sure isn’t 7. So I always worked toward less
    than
    6, and my goal now is to always be as close to 5 as possible. The ADA is
    indeed a marketing organization - a trade group - and while I don’t want to
    go
    all world conspiracy of you folks, their goals are no necessarily what your

    goals should be.

    Think of it like public schools. Their goal is to address the needs of the
    lowest common denominator. But as a student, wouldn’t your personal goal be
    to
    graduate first in the class? I guess it has to do with working for an A+ or

    settling for a C. And I define A+ as keeping my feet til I die, along with
    my
    vision, my kidneys, and hopefully, never having to shoot insulin.

    [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

  17. Domenic Everett Says:

    Pam wrote: If you’re on Metformin you’re certainly diabetic.

    Pam, that’s not true. When I first saw an endocrinologist, it was to be
    diagnosed with PCOS.(Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome) The treatment of choice
    for PCOS is has been Metformin. It starts women with PCOS ovulating. I had
    my first regular cycles in my life at age 45 after starting on it. It seems
    that it doesn’t cause low blood sugars in non-diabetics.

  18. Traci Mcgee Says:

    Actualy I tried to cut and paste and it was not

  19. Traci Mcgee Says:

    Actually I tried to cut and paste and it was not clear what I wrote and what
    the other person wrote. I am sorry for that. I was trying to disagree wtih
    the premise that everyone with diabetes needs bloodpressure medicine even if
    they don’t have high blood pressure or cholesterol medicine without high
    cholesterol.

    I think that we al need to find a dr that can be a partner with us to
    discuss what we need to do to inprove our health.

    Pam

  20. Patricia Petty Says:

    Now, I don’t know why that person said we need high blood pressure medicine
    even if we don’t have high blood pressure, but when I told my Dr. about my
    brother dying from Kidney Failure from diabetes, she put me on lisinopril to
    protect my kidneys. It’s a high blood pressure medicine. Well, at first we
    tried Diovan, but it gave me headaches, and it is a blood pressure med too.
    Maybe that is what they mean.

    Demetria-Beth

    Actually I tried to cut and paste and it was not clear what I wrote and what

    the other person wrote. I am sorry for that. I was trying to disagree wtih

    the premise that everyone with diabetes needs bloodpressure medicine even if


    they don’t have high blood pressure or cholesterol medicine without high
    cholesterol.

    I think that we al need to find a dr that can be a partner with us to
    discuss what we need to do to inprove our health.

    Pam

  21. Rafael Fe Says:

    I agree Pam - trusting your doctor but also having a doctor who is current on
    evidence based medicine. I also am over 40 and have no blood pressure problems.
    I take Avapro and aspirin not because I have high blood pressure but as
    prophylactics to help protects my cardiovascular system. I am lucky that I
    inherited my cholesterol tendencies from my father - no problems! My sister on
    the other had got hers from our mother and has to take RX and work hard to keep
    hers down. My a1c’s test in the low 5 range with just Actos, but my sister has
    to take Metformin and Byetta just to stay in th 6 range. -Carol

    —– Original Message —–
    From: Pam William
    To: Diabetes_And_Byetta
    Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 1:40 PM
    Subject: [Diabetes_And_Byetta] Pre-Diabetes Question


    If you’re on Metformin you’re certainly diabetic. Diet, exercise, blood sugar
    monitoring, and in most cases medication are medically necessary. Also, all
    diabetics should be on an anti-hypertensive (even if they don’t have high bp), a
    low dose daily aspirin (unless there is a clotting disorder), and many need a
    cholesterol lowering drug, too.

    I agree that pre-diabetes is probably an uninformed doctor. However not
    everyone needs blood preasure medications. I am 40. I do not have blood pressure
    issues. I was diet and exercise controlled for years. I would like to avoid
    extra meds until needed. My cholesterol is fine. I do take a low dose aspirin
    since I am over 40. When I read something I go in and ask him if it is something
    I should be doing. I think it is important to find a doctor that you can trust.

    Pam

    [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

  22. Traci Mcgee Says:

    If you’re diagnosed with "pre-diabetes" do most insurance companies
    pay the same as if your diagnosis is "diabetes?" I know doctors have
    to code everything meticulously for insurance submittal. I wonder if
    you are first diagnosed with "pre-diabetes" and if you eventually
    develop full "diabetes" if insurance companies will treat this as a
    condition you brought upon yourself. Just something to think about. I
    don’t trust insurance companies. :)
    Stefanie

  23. Neva Marjory Says:

    My meds are still the same co-pay as regular Diabetes.
    V.

  24. Kraig Caren Says:

    Pam, that is a very good point. Last year I was "pre" diabetic according to
    my doctor (and had been for some time). I got serious last February. I
    lost 18 pounds over the next year and ate a low glycemic diet. I joined
    Curves and was exercising daily. My FBS and A1C only increased. We cannot
    control everything.

  25. Neva Marjory Says:

    Demetria, you don’t say it but I suspect your Lisinopril and Diovan have a
    diuretic (for the "kidneys") and this helps you urinate. Mine both have had that
    too in them, same drugs.
    Vicki

  26. Patricia Petty Says:

    Ah!!!!! So that’s why!!!! LOL…..I couldn’t figure out why I was "going" so
    much lately.

    Demetria-Beth

    Demetria, you don’t say it but I suspect your Lisinopril and Diovan have a
    diuretic (for the "kidneys") and this helps you urinate. Mine both have had
    that too in them, same drugs.
    Vicki

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