I did a Ooops!

Thought I would share this one since it could maybe save someone else going
through it. I got home from work last night and got dinner done, fed the kids,
took my meds & Byetta Shot and rushed out to the football game, my son’s.
Took daughter with me too, she’s 11. it’s about 7pm, I’m feeling rushed…lol I
should have known, I get that I’m late feeling and hyper. but I thought it
was just from rushing and then about 8pm it hit me, well I should say I hit
it, I was sitting on the aluminum bleachers and passed out. I was only out a
minute or so they say, my daughter handled her self so well, she told the
people that I was a diabetic and their’s always an ambulance at the game, well
I
awoke to all these people around me and extremely out of it. They tested my bs
and I was 32. I didn’t want to go to the hospital but they made me, lights

46 Responses to “I did a Ooops!”

  1. federico800 Says:

    It might be a good idea to keep a package of peanut butter crackers in your
    purse or a granola bar or something so that if you remember you didn’t eat -
    you have something right at hand to eat to boost your sugar level.

    My husband is a Pharm.D and makes sure that I keep a small bottle of
    "Glucose tablets" in my purse. They come in several flavors, cost $1.59 at
    Walgreens and the dissolve instantly or are easy the chew. They come 10 in a
    bottle.
    Might be a good idea to carry some with you and if you feel light headed
    chew on a couple to raise your sugar level. As my husband says - low blood
    sugar is way worse than high blood sugar. Of course he doesn’t mean 450-500 -
    but at least you won’t pass out at a higher level.

    Thank heavens for your daughter staying so calm. You need to keep a bottle
    of honey or something liquidly so heaven forbid this were to happen at home,

    she will know to rub honey on your gums, etc. in addition to calling an
    ambulance.

    Glad to know it all worked out well.

  2. keely2 Says:

    BrandyKiss…I’m so glad you’re ok. That could have happen when you were
    driving or you could have hurt yourself if you hadn’t been seated when you
    fainted. I usually have dinner pretty much ready by the time I take my shot and
    that helps. Lizzy likes to be fed when she’s supposed to be fed! Kathy, MN

    Thought I would share this one since it could maybe save someone else going
    through it. I got home from work last night and got dinner done, fed the kids,
    took my meds & Byetta Shot and rushed out to the football game, my son’s.
    Took daughter with me too, she’s 11. it’s about 7pm, I’m feeling rushed…lol I
    should have known, I get that I’m late feeling and hyper. but I thought it
    was just from rushing and then about 8pm it hit me, well I should say I hit
    it, I was sitting on the aluminum bleachers and passed out. I was only out a
    minute or so they say, my daughter handled her self so well, she told the
    people that I was a diabetic and their’s always an ambulance at the game, well I
    awoke to all these people around me and extremely out of it. They tested my bs

    and I was 32. I didn’t want to go to the hospital but they made me, lights
    and all. Daughter was with me the whole time.I don’t remember a whole lot… I
    was there about 3hrs and they let me go home. I feel great today:) Yanno
    what I forgot to do? Eat! LOL I never forget that, I never forget to take my
    meds either…I guess there’s always a first. That’s the lowest I’ve ever been,
    and that feeling is indescribable. I do take Glipzide, I know that lowers my
    BS, as does Byetta. So those of you that think you don’t have to eat after
    your shot. You should!

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  3. Adeline Calhoun Says:

    Sorry you had this awful experience. You mentioned you ‘took your meds and
    your Byetta’. What order exactly do you take your meds and shot? I know
    different people take them on different schedules. I don’t know if there is
    any "Law and Order" as to how we should administer our meds and shot. I
    know I take the shot, eat a little something in the morning, then two or
    more hrs. later, I take prandin and metformin, then eat a small meal.
    Lately though, my bg’s seem to be creeping up, and I haven’t changed what I
    do. Would some of you please share with us how and when you administer your
    meds and shot and what is/is not working for you? Thanks all. Lanie

    Subject: [Diabetes_And_Byetta] I did a Ooops!

    fed the kids,

  4. lindsay_600 Says:

    Would some of you please share with us how and when you administer your
    meds and shot and what is/is not working for you? Thanks all. Lanie

    Lanie,
    I always, well I should say unless I sleep in on Sunday. I take my shot at
    6am and my pills directly after. My doc at the Joslin Center said that’s what I
    should do, take them right after my shot and then eat. So I usually always
    have my breakfast ready so as soon as I take my shot and pills, I can eat.

    Thats usually the way it is for dinner as well. I get home at 5;15 and
    start cooking dinner while its cooking I’ll do my shot and take the pills. Last
    Friday I just forgot to eat..I was getting ready for the game and just didn’t
    pay attention. I do carry glucose tablets in my purse and always have OJ with
    me, but this time I just wasn’t paying attention to my body and thought the

  5. Whitney Shamika Says:

    Hi,
    It sounds as if you are doing very well with your shots and meds. I take my
    meds right after I check my am blood sugar. I take the Byetta with lunch and
    dinner because I eat a light breakfast. The Byetta is a subq medication that
    can be given in your belly. The needle is less than a 1/2" -give it straight
    into the skin. A longer needle needs to be given at an angle to the skin. The
    BD needle is very fine and easy to use. The sites I use are the upper arm and
    abdomen.
    Frances

    Lanie,
    I always, well I should say unless I sleep in on Sunday. I take my shot at
    6am and my pills directly after. My doc at the Joslin Center said that’s what I
    should do, take them right after my shot and then eat. So I usually always
    have my breakfast ready so as soon as I take my shot and pills, I can eat.

    Thats usually the way it is for dinner as well. I get home at 5;15 and
    start cooking dinner while its cooking I’ll do my shot and take the pills.
    Last
    Friday I just forgot to eat..I was getting ready for the game and just didn’t
    pay attention. I do carry glucose tablets in my purse and always have OJ with
    me, but this time I just wasn’t paying attention to my body and thought the
    low was something else.

    This has always worked for me since the Byetta and taking my meds right
    before I eat helps too. I’ve done that for 5yrs. I think it helped my body get
    use to the metformin, that was a ruff pill for a couple years. My BS have
    never been better than they are now. I see the Dr Nov 1st so hopefully my A1C
    will show the changes I’ve made.

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    Frances

  6. Whitney Shamika Says:

    I have a suggestion that may prevent future problems with medication.
    1. Learn the release time of each med. Medications will have a peak time sort
    of like going up a hill -the top is the peak-going down the other side the
    wearing down until you need your med again. They have blood levels that need to
    be kept about the same in a 24 hour period.
    Anti-diabetic medications are like the above.
    2. Sit down with your Pharmacist and ask when is the best time to take the
    medication. Sit down with your Doc and ask the same thing.

    3. Prandin and Byetta are short acting drugs. They are similar in action and
    need to be taken more than once a day. The link for faq’s is below.

    You may not need the Prandin if you are taking Byetta.
    It is worth talking to your Doctor and pharmacist.
    I’m an advocate of learning as much information as you can concerning your

    medications and condition.

    Frances

    Frances

  7. Norbert Devin Says:

    Woo Hoo!!! I finally get to put in my two cents!!!!!

    When I do it, I have an insulated lunch box and an ice pack and leave it in
    the car. I’ll either pop myself before I enter or excuse myself after ordering,
    I do this if there is a line to get in. Sometimes I will wait until the meal is
    delivered before I excuse myself if its at a restaurant with a slow reputation.

    There are also special insulin traveling kits that my Mom has. She says its
    wonderful. They are also small enough to fit into a purse and she takes it into
    the bathroom to test & shoot before we eat. She has been known to pop herself
    at the table, discreetly. I can’t bring myself to do that yet. I dont know if
    our byetta Pens fit in one of those, though.

    Hope I helped!!

  8. Whitney Shamika Says:

    According to Amylin, you can safely leave your byetta out of the fridge for 144
    hours /month. They have applied to the FDA for permission to keep Byetta at
    room temperature.
    Going out to eat shouldn’t be a problem, I take mine in the care before going
    into the restaurant.
    Frances

    EXCELLENT advice, Frances!
    > It is worth talking to your Doctor and pharmacist.
    > I’m an advocate of learning as much information as you can concerning your
    medications and condition.
    >

    Amen to that.


    FWIW, I take Avandia when I first wake up (1-1.5 hrs before breakfast)
    and before bed. I take my Byetta shot right before I sit down to
    dinner, my biggest meal of the day. Taking it right before rather than
    30-60 minutes before eliminates all nausea.

    Haven’t gone out for dinner since starting Byetta, and I’m a little
    concerned as to how to handle it. If I take the shot right before
    leaving the house, depending on the restaurant, it might take over an
    hour before the meal is served. On the other hand, if I take the Byetta
    and pen needle along with me, I’ll be letting the Byetta warm up for up
    to 3 hours before returning it to the fridge.

    Any ideas?

    Andrea Frankel (andreafrankel at sbcglobal dot net)

    "wake now! Discover that YOU are the song that the morning brings…"

    Frances

  9. Irwin Mayme Says:

    Hi, Lisa. I inject before I go into a restaurant if I know the food will
    be on the table in a reasonable time. If the food is not forthcoming, I
    inject discreetly, or run out to the car or into the rest room. But I
    also inject in the thigh during those times, which makes it easier to do
    so at the table.

    Hope this helps.

    Janie

    > She has been known to pop herself at the table, discreetly

  10. keely2 Says:

    Janie, you must wear skirts or shorts if you can inject in your thigh at the
    table! We don’t tend to wear skirts or shorts much here in Minnesota.

    She has been known to pop herself at the table, discreetly

    Hi, Lisa. I inject before I go into a restaurant if I know the food will
    be on the table in a reasonable time. If the food is not forthcoming, I
    inject discreetly, or run out to the car or into the rest room. But I
    also inject in the thigh during those times, which makes it easier to do
    so at the table.

    Hope this helps.

    Janie


    > She has been known to pop herself at the table, discreetly

  11. Chris Jonna Says:

    I shoot thru my clothes both in the stomach and the thighs. Never had a
    problem.

    Lavonne

  12. Whitney Shamika Says:

    When you shoot through your clothes you are contaminating the needle and risking
    infection. You are adding an extra depth to a very short needle.
    This is not a good idea.
    Frances

    Lavonne

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    Frances

  13. Patricia Petty Says:

    <swoons dead away>

    I shoot thru my clothes both in the stomach and the thighs. Never had a
    problem.

    Lavonne

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  14. Dwain Palmer Says:

    Poll time folks.. :)
    I have always shot through my clothes. Insulin, and now Byetta. I know a
    whole bunch of people who do the same thing and no infection, ever. In
    fact, I think someone said even Dr. Bernstein condones it.

  15. Irwin Mayme Says:

    Nope, no skirts or shorts involved. Some people are uncomfortable
    injecting through their clothes, and that’s fine. But I’ve been doing
    this for many years with no problem.

    Janie

  16. Irwin Mayme Says:

    Frances, we’ve had a few heated discussions on this list about this and
    I don’t want to go there. <s> There are studies that indicate this is
    safe. However, this is my personal preference and what others want to do
    is fine with me.

    Janie

  17. Patricia Petty Says:

    This has been a subject before on this list, and there are definitely 2
    camps on this subject. But I think I am probably in the minority. When I
    give myself a shot, I use a fresh needle EVERY time, and I also use a
    Alcohol pad. I use Alcohol when I test as well, with a fresh lancet
    everytime. I’m not saying that anyone has to do it my way, just saying what
    I do. The idea of shooting through my clothes gives me the willies. Even
    more so reusing needles. But hey, that’s just me. I’ve seen enough
    amputations and other really bad things that have come from staph
    infections, to not want to take any chances. The comment from the other
    side is, "there my germs"….but this is not the case. If you are out in
    public at all…you’ve gotten others "critters" on you. When I hear someone
    say this…I think "Do you wash your hands after you go to the bathroom ?
    those are your germs too." Also, while I’m on the subject…lol….Just
    because Bernstein does it….doesn’t mean it is a safe practice.


    But Hey…..Different strokes for different folks….it’s what makes the
    world go round.

    Poll time folks.. :)
    I have always shot through my clothes. Insulin, and now Byetta. I know a
    whole bunch of people who do the same thing and no infection, ever. In
    fact, I think someone said even Dr. Bernstein condones it.

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  18. Whitney Shamika Says:

    Who is Dr. Bernstein? I’d like to read his opinion on this. You may not have
    any problems, good for you, it is a risk one, that I won’t condon or tell a
    patient to do.
    Frances

    I have always shot through my clothes. Insulin, and now Byetta. I know a
    whole bunch of people who do the same thing and no infection, ever. In
    fact, I think someone said even Dr. Bernstein condones it.

    [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

    Frances

  19. Whitney Shamika Says:

    Show me the studies and I’ll take a different attitude. I think the whole bunch
    who do this are wrong.
    Frances

    Janie

    Frances

  20. Whitney Shamika Says:

    OK.,I found the study and the blog discussing this method. It will not work for
    me.the nurse in me will not allow it. The study did not indicate what size or
    lenght of needle was used. My apology to all that I offended. I recovering
    from the shock.
    Frances

    Janie

    Frances

  21. Whitney Shamika Says:

    Demetria, I agree with you, I don’t want to inject anyone’s bacteria or virus
    into me.
    Frances

    But Hey…..Different strokes for different folks….it’s what makes the
    world go round.

    Poll time folks.. :)
    I have always shot through my clothes. Insulin, and now Byetta. I know a
    whole bunch of people who do the same thing and no infection, ever. In
    fact, I think someone said even Dr. Bernstein condones it.

    [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


    Frances

  22. Patricia Petty Says:

    I’ve never recovered Frances….But just remember, just because there was a
    "study" doesn’t mean that it contains correct information. All it takes is
    one time to get infected. You could probably do it quite a few times before
    you got unlucky. Just for comparison….Aids virus lives just a few hours
    on surfaces. Staph can live for over a week. I’m not willing to take that
    chance and that is what is happening when you take your shot through you
    clothes….your taking a chance. I’m reminded of that great American (tic)
    Dirty Harry when he said…."Do you feel lucky, punk? Well….Do ya?"

    OK.,I found the study and the blog discussing this method. It will not work
    for me.the nurse in me will not allow it. The study did not indicate what
    size or lenght of needle was used. My apology to all that I offended. I
    recovering from the shock.
    Frances


    Janie

    Frances

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  23. Dwain Palmer Says:

    Please don’t tell me you are a healthcare worker and don’t know who Dr.
    Bernstein is.

    So many folks out there, including doctors and nurses are so outdated
    it’s not funny.

    In fact, there was a newspaper study done that (at the time) 85% + of
    the GP doctors had no clue what the three important tests were for diabetes.

    I Posted that couple of years back in either diabetes_int,
    diabetesworld, or the ASD newsgroup.

  24. Dwain Palmer Says:

    Scare-mongering.. please stop it.

    Do you have any faith in the American Diabetes Association? I don’t as
    a fund-managing group, but I do when it comes to their knowledge of
    diabetes and insulin injection.

    Please read this study and then reply back. If you are unchanged, then
    that is you, but not "us", and the us is a majority.

    In case you didn’t read the study, to summarize, the American Diabetes
    Association: "The researchers’ conclusion: "It is safe and convenient to
    inject insulin through clothing".

    I will concede that the editor of the piece (his opinion) added this:
    "From the /Voice/ Editor: I have made many injections through my

    clothing, without problems. However, I would recommend you do this only
    if you and your clothes are clean. I note that if you are on
    immunosuppressive therapy (or otherwise immune-compromised), you might
    need to be more cautious of infection, and avoid this practice. Also,
    needles, in the name of pain reduction, are getting ever smaller and
    more fragile, and some of the smallest/shortest may be inappropriate for
    such use. I saw the above study was also noted in /New England Journal
    of Medicine’s/ newsletter HEALTHNEWS (March 1997)."

  25. Duncan Sha Says:

    I would never recommend shooting through clothing. What about all the germs your
    clothing picks up. You don’t think any of that at all is going to infect the
    needle? What if you touch spoiled meat or something with your hands and wipe
    them off on your pants and what about useing the bathroom. Just because you wash
    your hands does not indicate that you are germ proof. Think of all of the germs
    that go into the air and what not when you flush a toilet. And that has been
    proven to be on articles of clothing that you are wearing.

    It has been shown many times over that alcohol does little to nothing in
    the time used other than dry out the skin.

    I guarantee that you are in the minority on this one.

    Care to tell how long you have been injecting/testing??


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  26. Whitney Shamika Says:

    Before you start mocking healthcare workers, yes I am one, a registered nurse.
    No I don’t know who Dr. Berstein is, thank you for the link. Am I out dated ?
    who’s to say, it isn’t possible to know all things in a field as vast as
    nursing.
    Speaking of the study, who conducted it and where was it conducted ?
    I prefer a reliable source other than the newspaper and a blog.
    Frances

    So many folks out there, including doctors and nurses are so outdated
    it’s not funny.

    In fact, there was a newspaper study done that (at the time) 85% + of
    the GP doctors had no clue what the three important tests were for diabetes.

    I Posted that couple of years back in either diabetes_int,

    diabetesworld, or the ASD newsgroup.

    [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

    Frances

  27. Whitney Shamika Says:

    After reading the article, I’d like to point out that researchers used 50 people
    for the study. Not many really, if you want to inject through your clothing
    have at it!
    I don’t agree with the study and won’t counsel anyone to inject with method.
    As for alchohol swabs, it has long been known that they are not good for
    sterilization, soap and water is better as long as the water is hot.
    End of discussion for me, anyway.
    Frances

    Do you have any faith in the American Diabetes Association? I don’t as
    a fund-managing group, but I do when it comes to their knowledge of
    diabetes and insulin injection.

    Please read this study and then reply back. If you are unchanged, then
    that is you, but not "us", and the us is a majority.

    In case you didn’t read the study, to summarize, the American Diabetes
    Association: "The researchers’ conclusion: "It is safe and convenient to
    inject insulin through clothing".

    I will concede that the editor of the piece (his opinion) added this:
    "From the /Voice/ Editor: I have made many injections through my
    clothing, without problems. However, I would recommend you do this only
    if you and your clothes are clean. I note that if you are on
    immunosuppressive therapy (or otherwise immune-compromised), you might
    need to be more cautious of infection, and avoid this practice. Also,
    needles, in the name of pain reduction, are getting ever smaller and
    more fragile, and some of the smallest/shortest may be inappropriate for
    such use. I saw the above study was also noted in /New England Journal
    of Medicine’s/ newsletter HEALTHNEWS (March 1997)."

    [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

    Frances

  28. Dwain Palmer Says:

    Read the study I posted.. Oy. There are germs all around you, on you, in
    you, in your mouth.. etc. Nothing you can do about that.

  29. Dwain Palmer Says:

    Frances wrote:
    > Before you start mocking healthcare workers, yes I am one, a registered nurse.
    > No I don’t know who Dr. Berstein is, thank you for the link. Am I out dated ?
    who’s to say, it isn’t possible to know all things in a field as vast as
    nursing.
    > Speaking of the study, who conducted it and where was it conducted ?
    >

    The American Diabetes Association conducted the "clinical study". I
    posted the link.

  30. Dwain Palmer Says:

    I’m uncoother than you….. LOL!

  31. Francesca Carr Says:

    Oh, I know you are all going to consider me a ridiculous crank, (maybe
    with good cause) but I have to share the fact that I am sick to death
    of the LOL abbreviation. It makes us all sound like hysterical nitwits
    or too too precious dimwits when it’s overused.

  32. Duncan Sha Says:

    I agree to that, everthing is just not that funny all of the time.

    Kristi

  33. Whitney Shamika Says:

    I get a kick out of shooting up in my belly, my granddaughter pretends to faint.
    What a hoot!
    Frances

    Martin

    Me, I don’t inject through clothes. I have too much fun bareing my
    belly for all the world to see when I need to inject. LOL

    Andrew

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    Frances

  34. Whitney Shamika Says:

    Wonder how we are supposed laugh without the LOL!!! I’m respecting your
    position.
    Frances

    Kristi

    Frances

  35. Patricia Petty Says:

    Lets see…I’ve been testing for 3 years all together. Not near as much as
    since I started the byetta, which I started July3, 2006. But I don’t see
    what the point is of how long I’ve done it. As far as amputations and
    studies…well, where do you want me to start? There are many cases of
    staph infections causing amputations. That is not a scare tactic….that is
    fact. Now the probability of getting a severe staph infection from
    injecting through your clothes is probably very low, but for the few seconds
    it takes to pull your clothes aside, it doesn’t make sense to take the risk.
    At least to me it doesn’t. For others it may…And HEY! That’s okay. I
    am not one to say that just because I do something a certain way means that
    anyone else has to do it that way. So I’m not real sure why you are coming
    across as being upset with me for sharing my procedure. As far as being in
    the minority, I said I was to begin with….at least on this list anyway.
    And I really don’t care if I am or not. It’s not going to change my
    practices one way or the other just like what I do isn’t going to change

    yours. Btw…I do know. My brother got a staph infection probably from
    injecting through his clothes. I saw it happen when I worked in the
    hospital especially with people whose immune systems were already
    compromised. Heavy Smokers, Diabetics, People with High Blood pressure.
    So, it does happen.

    It has been shown many times over that alcohol does little to nothing in
    the time used other than dry out the skin.

    I guarantee that you are in the minority on this one.

    Care to tell how long you have been injecting/testing??

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  36. Patricia Petty Says:

    Dave,

    I’m wasn’t scare mongering….If you thought I was then I apologize. I was
    just expressing my concerns and sharing why I don’t inject that way. Just
    because someone is in the majority doesn’t make them right. It doesn’t
    make them wrong either. It just means there more people who believe that
    way. Kinda like the way Most of America believed in segregation.

    Scare-mongering.. please stop it.

    Do you have any faith in the American Diabetes Association? I don’t as
    a fund-managing group, but I do when it comes to their knowledge of
    diabetes and insulin injection.

    Please read this study and then reply back. If you are unchanged, then

    that is you, but not "us", and the us is a majority.

    In case you didn’t read the study, to summarize, the American Diabetes
    Association: "The researchers’ conclusion: "It is safe and convenient to
    inject insulin through clothing".

    I will concede that the editor of the piece (his opinion) added this:
    "From the /Voice/ Editor: I have made many injections through my
    clothing, without problems. However, I would recommend you do this only
    if you and your clothes are clean. I note that if you are on
    immunosuppressive therapy (or otherwise immune-compromised), you might
    need to be more cautious of infection, and avoid this practice. Also,
    needles, in the name of pain reduction, are getting ever smaller and
    more fragile, and some of the smallest/shortest may be inappropriate for
    such use. I saw the above study was also noted in /New England Journal
    of Medicine’s/ newsletter HEALTHNEWS (March 1997)."

    [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

  37. Patricia Petty Says:

    Well, no. And I’ll tell you why. Peroxide doesn’t come in those little
    handy packets. But the lotion I use on my hands that counteracts any
    dryness I might experience. It is so good, it stays on even after a couple
    of washings. I get it at Walmart.

    Demetria-Beth, have you considered using hydrogen peroxide to clean
    your test/injection site instead of alcohol. I don’t think it would
    dry you out, and I would expect that a peroxide would work better.

    Andrew

  38. Neva Marjory Says:

    LOL Andrea!

    Hugs,
    Paula

    On the other hand, some of us are easily amused! Especially when we
    remember to take our meds ;@)

    (For those who do more smiling than laughing, that last was a wink from
    someone with a big nose.)

    – Andrea Frankel (andreafrankel at sbcglobal dot net)

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  39. Patricia Petty Says:

    Lol…<looking around> <whispering to Andrew> And sometimes I pull my
    shirt up and tuck it in my bra so it’s out of the way….Lol…now ain’t
    THAT a picture.

    Frances, some of us are just uncooth, ain’t we? LOL

    Me, I don’t inject through clothes. I have too much fun bareing my
    belly for all the world to see when I need to inject. LOL

    Andrew

  40. Patricia Petty Says:

    Lol…..

    Whenever I read posts here…I always slap on my crash helmet just in
    case!!!! LOL…..

    Demetria-Beth, I shouldn’t admit this, but I have considered posting
    about shooting through clothes just to see you faint. LOL

    Sorry. Please forgive me for my evil thoughts.

    Andrew

  41. Dwain Palmer Says:

    You probably weren’t, but (and I don’t like to call anyone a newbie) if
    you had been traveling around the diabetic forums and newsgroups for a
    long time you would have seen the same old horse beaten and beaten again.

    Of course it doesn’t matter what one chooses to do themselves, that
    comes down to personal opinion. My intention is/was only to show that
    the issues had been raised many times before with the same outcome.
    Different strokes, etc.

    And .. unfortunately, there are too many Americans that still do.

  42. Duncan Sha Says:

    What is the name of that lotion, I really need help with dryness in my hands.
    They are starting to look old to me.

    Demetria-Beth, have you considered using hydrogen peroxide to clean
    your test/injection site instead of alcohol. I don’t think it would
    dry you out, and I would expect that a peroxide would work better.

    Andrew

  43. Norbert Devin Says:

    I find myself <giggle>-ing. Or, when I’m being a smart alec, I’ll <grin>. When
    I’m being devious I may even <evil grin> at times!!!! I rarely use lol or btw,
    imo, or what ever else they have. I like the English Language and type out all
    the words. On some really special occasions, though, you may see me
    "ROFLMAOPMP". That is saved for some really special people. Like the people in
    Indiana who get to shoot the lizard with a Penis.

    Oh, and the long acranym is rolling on the floor, laughing my ass off and
    peeing my pants.

    Have a great day!!!!

  44. Neva Marjory Says:

    Hey, it’s COLD here!

    ~Paula in Indiana

    I find myself <giggle>-ing. Or, when I’m being a smart alec, I’ll <grin>.
    When I’m being devious I may even <evil grin> at times!!!! I rarely use lol
    or btw, imo, or what ever else they have. I like the English Language and
    type out all the words. On some really special occasions, though, you may see
    me "ROFLMAOPMP". That is saved for some really special people. Like the
    people in Indiana who get to shoot the lizard with a Penis.

    Oh, and the long acranym is rolling on the floor, laughing my ass off and
    peeing my pants.

    Have a great day!!!!

    Lisa in NYS (who may move to Indiana)

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  45. Neva Marjory Says:

    Geez, at this point I figure we’re all family so anything is game…

    Hugs,
    Cousin Paula

    It’s a woman thing, Andrew!!

    As for TMI, wasn’t it just a week or two ago that Carl let us know that
    Viagra worked better for him than anyone in the immediate area wanted it to?
    ROFL!

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  46. Maureen Hines Says:

    I have my issues.

    Carl Eugene Moore, MBA

    _____

    It’s a woman thing, Andrew!!

    As for TMI, wasn’t it just a week or two ago that Carl let us know that
    Viagra worked better for him than anyone in the immediate area wanted it to?
    ROFL!

    Mary

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