muscle testing and metformin
My doctor has wished (as have I for a long time) that I could take metformin,
but I had such an awful reaction both times I have taken it that even the
pharmacist said never to take it again. I was reading Annie’s post and lusting
after a forbidden drug (some of us lust after carbs, others of us after the
forbidden treatment).
Today I asked my DH to so some kinesthetic (muscle) testing with me using a
generic metformin he has with no enteric coating. No reaction. Muscle testing
is a way to see if there is an allergy without allergy tests and for me it works
as well as injection testing. Did it twice, just to make sure. No difference.
Rock solid with both. Which means there is no allergy, although there could
still be an idiosyncratic reaction.
So, I have split one of his 500 regular metformin and then split it again and am
taking one quarter of a 500 mg to see what happens - essentially 125 mg. I am
not going to school today (too stressed over daughter and her predicament) so it
is as good as any day to see what happens.
If I can tolerate extremely low doses that may be a way to build up to something
larger (I hope) and we have a compounding pharmacy in a nearby town who could
make things like that for me. Too much is lost in attempting to pill split as a
good portion of it is in powder in the pill splitter.
My DH insists that both the metformin I took in the past were time release
(althoughI I could swear one was the uncoated) so it is a possibility that the
intense reaction was to a coating and not the medication. So, here I go. Wish
me well!
Five minutes and counting and no problem so far - whereas before the reaction
was almost immediate. Hmmm, looks promising.
By the way, since taking byetta I have developed such a cold nose that if it
were also damp I would think I was morphing into a dog. Anyone else have this
problem? I need a nose muff.
For those who are carb addicted (or believe they are) I found something in
Bernstein’s new book (fair use alert) that he is using very low dose naltrexone
(the same drug used to treat addicts). It comes in 50 mg tables. He uses a
compounding pharmacist to grind them up and start with doses as low as 0.25 mg.
He reports that the dose must be finely adjusted. One patient had no effect at
2 mg, had bad headaches at 4 mg and was perfectly controlled at 3 mg. He
recommends starting at 0.5 mg. If anyone requires more than 50mg ther eneeds to
be liver function tests done every few months. Naltrexone can be sedating and
may be good for night eaters as it can help relax for bed. He lists a site
describing uses for low-dose naltrexone as: www. losedosenaltrexone.org
An idea, anyway, for those (I was thinking of you, Gerald) who are tormented by
carbohydrate addiction.
Cheers!
Marsha
December 27th, 2003 at 9:58 am
Yes on the cold and byetta. Especially my nose! i like dogs
As to the muscle testing, you are the only one i’ve ever heard talk
about that@
thats awesome.
the one way i learned was to hold a thing in your hand and if you stay
upright you’re ok. if you lean either way its pushing you away.
anyway….
now that everyone things i’m nutso i’l shut up
Rebecca
Slythy_Tove wrote:
> By the way, since taking byetta I have developed such a cold nose that
if it were also damp I would think I was morphing into a dog. Anyone
else have this problem? I need a nose muff.
December 27th, 2003 at 10:01 pm
Hi Rececca,
The easiest way to do the muscle testing is to lie on the bed and put one leg up
behind you (bent at knee) and then have the tester attempt to pull the leg down.
Resist. That’s the control muscle test. Then the tester can put the food/drug
either in the small of the back or in the hand and again pull down on the leg
while asking you to resist. It is remarkably effective.
Once my daughter said she did not believe it in it - so I did the exercise and
put an unknown item in the small of her back. It was a piece of banana to which
she is extremely allergic - and she was shocked that her leg had no ability to
sustain itself against my pressure.
I’m glad I found someone else who has a cold byetta nose. At least I know it is
not just me. (misery loves company, etc.)
I liked dogs too.
Marsha
December 28th, 2003 at 3:49 am
I have the cold nose syndrome too. I actually will have like a cold sweat
with mine. I thought it was just me. Thank goodness others have the CNS too.
Tammie
December 28th, 2003 at 6:00 am
"My doctor has wished (as have I for a long time) that I could take
metformin,
but I had such an awful reaction both times I have taken it that even the
pharmacist said never to take it again."
snip
"Today I asked my DH to so some kinesthetic (muscle) testing with me using
a
generic metformin he has with no enteric coating. No reaction. Muscle
testing is a way to see if there is an allergy without allergy tests and
for me it works as well as injection testing."
There is absolutely no scientific support for this "testing", none at all.
In many cases use of dubious methods are harmless, except to ones wallet.
But this is a perfect example where real physical harm, even death, for the
rare people who have severe side effects from this drug and highlights the
danger in relying on snake oil treatments.
XB
IC|XC
December 29th, 2003 at 3:15 am
Marsha, I had the runny nose too when I started on Byetta, it went away.
It’s was annoying though.
Jeanna
Hi Rececca,
The easiest way to do the muscle testing is to lie on the bed and put
one leg up behind you (bent at knee) and then have the tester attempt
to pull the leg down. Resist. That’s the control muscle test. Then
the tester can put the food/drug either in the small of the back or
in the hand and again pull down on the leg while asking you to
resist. It is remarkably effective.
Once my daughter said she did not believe it in it - so I did the
exercise and put an unknown item in the small of her back. It was a
piece of banana to which she is extremely allergic - and she was
shocked that her leg had no ability to sustain itself against my
pressure.
I’m glad I found someone else who has a cold byetta nose. At least I
know it is not just me. (misery loves company, etc.)
I liked dogs too.
Marsha
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December 29th, 2003 at 5:32 pm
Rebecca, we don’t think you’re nuts. Hey, if I can talk about tapping
the top of my head to relieve stress… LOL
The PA I used to go to used muscle testing and I’m a believer. Fascinating.
December 29th, 2003 at 9:18 pm
I profoundly disagree. There is no such thing as an objective observation -
quantum physics has proved that. In the past I simply did not answer you.
Whether you agree with kinestheic testing or not does not mean it does not work
for me and other people.
I hear scientists talk about the invalidity of anecdotal testing - the reality
is that it is ALL anecdotal testing - it is merely that the scientists are paid
for theirs and it is, perhaps, better organized. - Marsha
snip
"Today I asked my DH to so some kinesthetic (muscle) testing with me using
a
generic metformin he has with no enteric coating. No reaction. Muscle
testing is a way to see if there is an allergy without allergy tests and
for me it works as well as injection testing."
There is absolutely no scientific support for this "testing", none at all.
In many cases use of dubious methods are harmless, except to ones wallet.
But this is a perfect example where real physical harm, even death, for the
rare people who have severe side effects from this drug and highlights the
danger in relying on snake oil treatments.
XB
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December 30th, 2003 at 3:07 am
I tear up paper. I can put a whole news paper in a Pepsi bottle. LOL
Tammie
December 31st, 2003 at 4:17 pm
Hi Andrew,
The reason I know it works for me is that about 15 years ago I was seeing a
person who, as a part of his practice, did muscle testing. I had a number of
allergies, had already had them tested through regular allergy testing and
mentioned a number of allergies. He asked me NOT to tell him what they were and
over a period of a few months we went through testing where he would place an
unknown (to me) substance on my body and test the muscles and then continue on
with what we were doing.
At the end of a few months he gave me a list of foods and substances I was
allergic to. It matched the very uncomfortably obtained list I had from the
allergist. My allergist had no problem with me doing muscle testing.
As with all things, YMMV, as allergy testing alone isn’t always accurate either
as I will register a +2 to sterile water. (big welt)
I rarely bother with actual skin tests anymore and when I do get them (the last
time was about 8 years ago) they mirrored the tests we did at home. I’d never
put something corrosive on my skin, which is too darn delicate as it is as I
have dyshydrotic eczema and I have to be very careful with it!
Today I have taken a second 500 mg metformin, this time all at once instead of
in 4 pieces and so far, so good. The only thing I can figure is that it was
something in the coating on the extended release ones.
I had a strawberry for lunch (a large one) and my bg went up 40 points.
I’m
not allergic to them, but they sure seem not to like me. It weighed 2 ounces.
I didn’t think that was that much berry, but I guess I’ll have to see what
happens with the byetta and the metformin.
Marsha
I don’t see any snake oil treatment here. The muscle testing Marsha described
sounds like a perfect candidate for a scientific test, if only as a screening
technique. In any case, during my years of
actually using my chemical degree, I don’t remember too many substances that
are so toxic that a small amount applied to the skin would be harmful or toxic.
Aside from corrosive substances, of course.
The things I recall that are extremely toxic on contact are thallium metal and
nerve agents. (list not exhaustive).
Andrew
January 1st, 2004 at 1:44 am
might i play devils advocate and ask then why a Placebo works half the
time just like the ‘real’ drug? now THATS not science for sure!
Rebecca
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On Mar 31, 2006, at 8:09 AM, Slythy_Tove wrote:
I profoundly disagree. There is no such thing as an objective
observation - quantum physics has proved that. In the past I simply
did not answer you.
Whether you agree with kinestheic testing or not does not mean it does
not work for me and other people.
I hear scientists talk about the invalidity of anecdotal testing - the
reality is that it is ALL anecdotal testing - it is merely that the
scientists are paid for theirs and it is, perhaps, better organized. -
Marsha
snip
"Today I asked my DH to so some kinesthetic (muscle) testing with me
using
a
generic metformin he has with no enteric coating. No reaction.
Muscle
testing is a way to see if there is an allergy without allergy tests
and
for me it works as well as injection testing."
There is absolutely no scientific support for this "testing", none at
all.
In many cases use of dubious methods are harmless, except to ones
wallet.
But this is a perfect example where real physical harm, even death,
for the
rare people who have severe side effects from this drug and highlights
the
danger in relying on snake oil treatments.
XB
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January 1st, 2004 at 9:29 am
Hi Rebecca,
I don’t think anyone, including scientists, finds the placebo experience
exceptionally powerful. I honestly don’t think we really understand what is
going on with that, either. Science can’t really deal with the mind/body
connection effectively because the mind is not something that is quantifiable
like math.
Real ™ drugs don’t work all the time for a variety of reasons - individual
differences, they aren’t actually treating the problem the doctors think they
are, and the general fact that medical reseach is some of the worst research out
there (according to my own personal science guy).
Cheers!
Marsha
On Mar 31, 2006, at 8:09 AM, Slythy_Tove wrote:
I profoundly disagree. There is no such thing as an objective
observation - quantum physics has proved that. In the past I simply
did not answer you.
Whether you agree with kinestheic testing or not does not mean it does
not work for me and other people.
I hear scientists talk about the invalidity of anecdotal testing - the
reality is that it is ALL anecdotal testing - it is merely that the
scientists are paid for theirs and it is, perhaps, better organized. -
Marsha
snip
"Today I asked my DH to so some kinesthetic (muscle) testing with me
using
a
generic metformin he has with no enteric coating. No reaction.
Muscle
testing is a way to see if there is an allergy without allergy tests
and
for me it works as well as injection testing."
There is absolutely no scientific support for this "testing", none at
all.
In many cases use of dubious methods are harmless, except to ones
wallet.
But this is a perfect example where real physical harm, even death,
for the
rare people who have severe side effects from this drug and highlights
the
danger in relying on snake oil treatments.
XB
IC|XC
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January 1st, 2004 at 1:47 pm
Oops, I meant don’t find the placebo experience exceptionally powerful - sorry -
Marsha
I don’t think anyone, including scientists, finds the placebo experience
exceptionally powerful.
January 1st, 2004 at 6:56 pm
it was just an illustration lol. but thanks for the correction. i was
thinking you were putting my thoughts down ::::pout;:::: especially
when i was trying to defend what YOU said hehehe
and just kidding. no worries I don’t take offense easily.
Rebecca
love is defined as: Trust, Understanding, Respect
& dignity .
I say that if any of these elements are missing,
then i question the love.
This would apply for ANY relationship.
~Darrel a friend
On Mar 31, 2006, at 2:07 PM, Slythy_Tove wrote:
Oops, I meant don’t find the placebo experience exceptionally powerful
- sorry - Marsha
I don’t think anyone, including scientists, finds the placebo
experience exceptionally powerful.
January 1st, 2004 at 10:23 pm
Hi Andrew,
Not interested in a "religious war" and had already decided if it got "hot" I’d
take it off list. Used to have a list of 200 participants and don’t engage in
flame wars, though I might be opinionated.
You mean we can’t fight about Macs and PCs? Darn! I have both - I’d have to
strangle myself and then shoot myself in retaliation.
Marsha
January 2nd, 2004 at 8:59 am
when i lived in california, i saw my chiro once a
month. he was unaware of many of my medical conditions
outside of the obvious ones he was treating me with.
he took a class where he learned how to do the
technique being reffered to. or similar anyway.
instead of placing a substance on my body, he touched
my body in various locations that correlated with
certain illnesses. he was 100% accurate, then he had
me take a supplement there in the office, and would
test again and once again, 100% accurate. sometimes a
little snake oil is good for you. (btw, i am not
someone prone to believing things like that as i am an
RN and trained in traditional meds) But he hit every
single one right on the nose
January 2nd, 2004 at 5:35 pm
this is one of the reasons why drug studies are
usually double blind, meaning that neither the patient
or the doctor giving the drug knows if the patient is
actually getting the drug or not. there are lots of
drugs that have no effect on me. or that i have to
take enough of to kill a cow to have any effect at
all. almost like a reverse placebo effect. lol. the
drug has no effect. but the mind is a powerful thing.
there are so many conditions which are psychosomatic.
people can think themselves into anything. one of the
strangest being hysterical pregnancies.
January 3rd, 2004 at 4:28 am
Hi Annie,
My friend, the Harvard Trained Nurse Practitioner is also an acupuncurist that
other doctors refer to and a Chinese herbalist as well. She deals with the
energy fields of the body through needles, pressure, reiki and various other
techniques. The darndest thing is that either it work and works rather rapidly
or it is generally not gong to work at all. My daughter is difficult to treat
with acupuncture, for me it is probably my ideal form of medical care.
Andrew Weil is pioneering the mind/body/spirit connection and I hope that
someday the doctors will have a better feel for patient as human being with
symptom rather that the present "We have in this bed, an ucler dicubitis …"
It amazing how much accurace there is in what are called "Non traditional" care
- the thing being, this IS the care that is tradtional, whereas the western
medical care is actully the non-traditional form. We just forgot the order
things came in.
Marsha
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January 4th, 2004 at 5:39 am
"I don’t see any snake oil treatment here. The muscle testing Marsha
described sounds like a perfect candidate for a scientific test, if
only as a screening technique. In any case, during my years of
actually using my chemical degree, I don’t remember too many
substances that are so toxic that a small amount applied to the skin
would be harmful or toxic."
It is indeed something that begs validation, it has been attempted but has
failed in every case, see the "Applied Kinesiology, ie. muscle testing"
message just posted.
I was confusing, it was not that a small amount of the drug applied to the
skin was the danger, it was using this test to discount the severe physical
harm that can come from the drug in a very small number of people. Do the
test and with negative results take the drug because it has confirmed one
is not among those subject to the dangers; even in the face of one’s doctor
and pharmacist advice. There are proven tests that do provide this
information, snake oil testing does not.
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January 5th, 2004 at 1:28 am
i know what you mean marsha.
last year i had severe carpal tunnel in my left wrist.
i met a man who i had known thru another list. he was
passing thru town and we met up for a visit. he saw
the splint on my wrist and asked about it. i told him
what was going on. he put one hand on my shoulder, one
on my wrist and i don’ot know what he did, but it made
me so sick i nearly passed out right there in the
parking lot. but i haven’t had to wear the splint
since. he is known for his energy healing. it amazes
me but i struggle with my beliefs in it. lol. i was
trained not to, but it sure worked on me
January 5th, 2004 at 8:04 am
Hi Annie,
Don’t know what happened to the carpal tunnel in your wrist either, I’m just
glad it worked! My D.O. (the one I returned to for good) has a philsophy that
if it is not actively harmful and it works, then he’s all for it! He is also a
chiropractor as well as a D.O. and is intrigued by Chinese herbs, acupuncture,
acupressure, etc. I’m glad he is so flexible and understands that Modern
Western Medicine has a limit on answers that can be filled in from other
cultures.
Cheers!
Marsha
January 5th, 2004 at 2:22 pm
believe me, i am not saying it doesn’t work. it does.
i have seen it. it is just hard to get my mind around.
and i have used homeopathy a lot, because it works
better for me than some traditional medicines in some
areas. what aggrivates me is people making blanket
statements that something can’t work, because they
can’t believe it does. well according to the laws of
physics, the bumble be can’t possibly fly, but i have
certainly seen them do it, and therefore believe they
can. but if you look at the physics and beleive that
the bumble bee is still gonna fly regardless of whta
you beleive. SOOOO….. if it works for someone, leave
it alone and let it work for them and stop trying to
put them down. none of us know everything no matter
how much we think we do.
January 5th, 2004 at 6:40 pm
i have read that in some areas like china, when you go
into the hospital you are assigned 2 doctors. one
trained in eastern medicine, one trained in western
medicine. then they collaborate thier efforts in
devising a treatment plan using the best of both
worlds
January 6th, 2004 at 6:05 am
Annie, I believe as health care costs spiral out of control, people are
going to be looking for and utilizing "alternative" medicines,
especially those like energy medicine, NLP and EFT, which aren’t
invasive and don’t cost anything to use.
January 6th, 2004 at 5:46 pm
Janie,
Don’t forget to include Anodyne Imagery. This is a simple technique for
relieving pain or stress. I use this technique especially when in the
Dental chair.
It is another aspect of NLP. I can actually anesthetize my hand, transfer
it to my other hand, and transfer it further to my mouth during dental work.
Takes much concentration and relaxation, but once learned is easy and
invaluable.
Elaine
January 6th, 2004 at 10:45 pm
Elaine,
Learned it in Anchorage from a hypnotherapist, unfortunately, I never get past
pins and needles. (pout)
Marsha
Don’t forget to include Anodyne Imagery.
January 11th, 2004 at 7:21 pm
*I’m archiving all these, btw. Some days, I need all the help I can get.
My BG goes sky high when I’m stressed. The answer, of course, is to live
on a secluded mountain, with just wildlife to be my companions. And my
border collie, of course. And my cat. And my husband can visit during
the weekends when he’s not working. LOL