starting byetta
I’m wondering how everyone
got started on Byetta.
I hear folks talking
about still taking insulin
& oral meds along with it.
I’m a type 2 diabetic
& am taking 85 units Lantus at night
& 30 mg. Actos every day
along with a sliding scale of Humalog at meals.
What’s been everyone else’s experience?
Thanks-
Deb L.
November 2nd, 2003 at 4:26 am
HI
I will be starting Byetta on Friday after i see the dietian at my endo
doctor. She said it would help with weight loss. In the beginning of
the appointment she suggested Gastric baypass. I told her no for now.
I have been through alot of surergies and i dont want to put my husband
through that again. Unless it is my last hope.
She just told me to cut out sweets, and eat whole grains instead of
white.
What should i be eating? I am on blood pressure meds. Clostriol meds,
and metformin.
Pat
November 2nd, 2003 at 9:20 am
Pat,
You will find people eating widely varied diets here.
Some eat so many carbs I would be unconscious. I eat
a very regimented low-carb diet as I am very carb
intolerant.
I’d suggest a diabetic nutritionist who will actually
give you appropriate information about what to eat,
but maybe there is not one around. The first one I
met was so bad I walked out on her and the doctor
later fired her for incompetence, so you can find some
doozies out there as well as some good ones.
I follow the Bernstein diet, but many folks can’t
handle the restrictions and would rather medicate more
and eat more. It is a personal decision.
The ADA has a diet (sort of) that pretty much says to
eat 200+grams carbs a day. You might be able to find
it on their site. I eat about 20 grams of carbs a day
so mine is radically different. No sugar, grains of
any kind, no starches, lots of low-carb veggies, a few
low carb fruits, moderate fat, and protein sources
like meat, fish, eggs, cheese. I eat about 800
calories to 1000 calories a day total.
Good luck to you, whatever path you travel.
Marsha
first day on Byetta 5 mcg
BG is not down
No nausea
No vomiting
No tiredness
No hunger, either
November 2nd, 2003 at 9:23 pm
Wow Marsha you must be losing weight like crazy with that diet. How long
have you been eating that way?
Jeanna
Pat,
You will find people eating widely varied diets here.
Some eat so many carbs I would be unconscious. I eat
a very regimented low-carb diet as I am very carb
intolerant.
I’d suggest a diabetic nutritionist who will actually
give you appropriate information about what to eat,
but maybe there is not one around. The first one I
met was so bad I walked out on her and the doctor
later fired her for incompetence, so you can find some
doozies out there as well as some good ones.
I follow the Bernstein diet, but many folks can’t
handle the restrictions and would rather medicate more
and eat more. It is a personal decision.
The ADA has a diet (sort of) that pretty much says to
eat 200+grams carbs a day. You might be able to find
it on their site. I eat about 20 grams of carbs a day
so mine is radically different. No sugar, grains of
any kind, no starches, lots of low-carb veggies, a few
low carb fruits, moderate fat, and protein sources
like meat, fish, eggs, cheese. I eat about 800
calories to 1000 calories a day total.
Good luck to you, whatever path you travel.
Marsha
first day on Byetta 5 mcg
BG is not down
No nausea
No vomiting
No tiredness
No hunger, either
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November 3rd, 2003 at 4:01 am
Pat, Congratulations! You made a good decision. I was exactly where you find
yourself now last June 11, 2005. I was taking 140 units of Lantus. I went on
Byetta instead of doing the surgery for the bypass. I was glad I did and I hope
you will be too. I was 100 lbs overweight.
I have maintained a kind of Berstein diet, my own modifications. Basically
high protein, low carb. No breads, potato, small amt. fruit and mainly veggies
and fish, chicken and beef and some low sugar Jell-O’s, etc. I am not a very
creative cook so stay with the basics. I have lost about 60lb since going on
Byetta. I think it is a combination of both factors, Byetta and diet plus I have
started walking again. I was ready to hang it up and give into the disease. No
longer. Haven’t visited a fast food shop since June of 2005.
November 3rd, 2003 at 8:50 am
Marsha. i eat much the same as you. the dietician and
i go round and round when i am in the hospital. i am
also on a high fat diet. close to 40-50%. they always
put me on a cardiac,diabetic diet in the hospital. so
i get things like… breakfast: orange juice, cereal,
toast and fruit. EEEEK. and acidophalus milk cause i
have a milk allergy. i can’t get them to understand
that i am not lactose intolerant, i am allergic to the
acidophalus, so giving me that is like bringing me a
glass of poison. hehe. then for lunch they will bring
me spaghetti and toast. usually supper is baked
chicken breast and broccoli or something like that. i
finally convinced them to bring me a boiled egg and a
slice of turkey for breakfast, which i would save, and
a large salad for lunch which i would cut the egg and
turkey up on. they wouldn’t give me a tiny little pack
of salt to save my life but they would put 6 packs of
sugar on my tray. go figure….my diet is so much
stricter than atkins ever dreamed of being.
November 4th, 2003 at 12:02 am
Actually, I am losing almost no weight and have been very, very serious about it
since January of this year. I have lost from 275 to 262, give or take a few
pounds of water weight that I gained back because of the Avandia (which I quit
again). I also walk 1 mile a day with walking/weight lifting tape. I hope this
stall in weight loss is because of muscle mass, but I think it is the diabetes
rearing its ugly head.
Marsha
November 4th, 2003 at 6:20 am
marsha i have been tracking my diet on fitday for the
last few days. i am averaging 500 cals a day and 16-20
carbs and i am not losing either. i figure it HAS to
catch up with us eventually *sigh*
November 5th, 2003 at 1:50 am
It becomes very discouraging when one eats so little, works out and still has no
loss. I eat about what my best friend (who had a GI Bypass) eats - the
difference is that she has malabsorbtion from her intestines because of the
operation and that is how she loses weight - and also bone density.
I think that those of us with hyperinsulinism are going to have a dickens of a
time losing weight.
Marsha
November 5th, 2003 at 1:52 pm
Maybe your not eating enough? For ME only, if I tried to do what you two
are doing I couldn’t do it. I need more to eat and feel good than that
even of very healthy food. I could do it for a week or two but, the
whole point of this is finding a lifestyle one can life with long term.
(I know Marsha you would probably have it different if not for your
allergies). I would be into a doctor so fast if I was eating 500
calories a day and NOT losing weight and was not bed ridden, something
would not be right for me.
Jeanna
marsha i have been tracking my diet on fitday for the
last few days. i am averaging 500 cals a day and 16-20
carbs and i am not losing either. i figure it HAS to
catch up with us eventually *sigh*
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November 6th, 2003 at 7:55 am
Jeanna,
And if I were to eat like you do I’d be dead. It is not really an option for
me. Be thankful you have that option. (smile)
I gain weight on 1800, 1500 and 1200 calories. I am barely losing now. Realize
that people with weight reduction surgery live on fewer than 800 calories all
the time.
Marsha
November 6th, 2003 at 10:53 pm
HI Marsha
Can you give me a example of your day of food. And what choices you use.
November 7th, 2003 at 11:27 pm
So someone who does the bypass surgery has lack of ability to absorb
thier food???
I don’t think i need it, but its been mentioned to me. i’m 5′ and 206.
I also saw a new Endo today. loved him! he wanted me to go up on to the
10 mcg Byetta. So we’ll see. Was thinking of double injecting the last
bit of 5 i have. maybe a 5 in morning and 10 at night. what do you think?
He also put me on Amaryl Solfonyrea as he feels it should help bring
down, what the Byetta hasnt. He sent me for tests and i go back next week.
Rebecca
November 8th, 2003 at 3:48 pm
Hi Pat,
I make some of my choices because I have an allergy to grain, however, that may
almost be beneficial because grain products give most (but not all) diabetics
problems with blood glucose.
When I started off a few years ago I used to eat about 40-60 grams of carbs a
day, but my insulin resistence has grown over the past few years so that I am
unable to tolerate that amount any more - at least, not without massive drug
intervention and I also have drug allergies and concerns about side effects -
having said that, I follow the Bernstein method - which is sort of like Atkins
only stricter.
Typical day:
Breakfast
2 strips bacon
1 egg
1/2 cup sauted veggies (3-4 grams CHO)
Cappucchino w/ Atkins choc. milk
OR
lowcarb chocolate smoothie for 6 grams CHO
(see Dana Carpenter book on low-carb smoothies)
Snack
small cup low carb yogurt (3 grams CHO)
Lunch
1 cup salad with mushrooms, cukes, lettuce, small amount of slivered carrots,
cabbage, other greens including field greens - (2-3 grams CHO) - I eat mine
without dressing
1/4 cup chicken salad or chicken chunks
2 oz hard cheese (2 CHO)
OR
2 cheese puffs
1/2 cup chicken salad with diced vegetables (mushrooms, bell peppers, green
onions, cukes, etc.)
small container low-fat yogurt
Snack
Atkins drink (3 CHO)
Dinner
Stir fry of meat/tofu/veggie mix (6-8 grams CHO)
Includes: Meat (pork/chicken/beef), veggies including broccoli, cauliflower,
bell peppers, green onions, minced onion (small amount), napa cabbage, water
chestnuts, mushrooms, etc. (if it is low-carb it is considered fodder for the
dish). Seasoned with spices, soy sauce, worcestershire sauce, and other
seasonings including a dash of saki at times. Whatever my husband is moved to
do - he makes dinner and is an excellent cook.
Snack
cheese OR
a couple strawberries OR
something else low-carb
I don’t do a PM snack very often, but I do allot calories/carbs for it.
I do my best to keep it 20 grams of carbs (CHO) a day or less.
I weigh and measure and document everything. I have a database that has records
of everything that goes into my mouth (meds, food, drinks) and body (shots) as
well as when I walk and how much I walk or lift weights.
I test my BG about 5-8 times a day as I am trying to get a handle on what I can
and can’t eat again. After years when I could eat a wider variety of foods I am
now quite limited in what I can ingest without spiking my BG and keeping it up.
I ignore fats. You can’t do low carb and low fat at the same time and, frankly,
it isn’t fat that makes one fat, it is carbs in combination with fats (donuts
being a classic example).
I’d suggest you check out some of the dietary plans. I started with Atkins,
read Eades book Protein Power, then moved to Bernstein when it was apparent that
I was going to have to get serious about things or end up like our friend Tony
who had strokes, seizures, heart and kidney failure and had a really bad end of
life experience as a result of following the ADA diet and having "acceptable"
blood sugars in the 150 range for years.
Maybe you are one of the people who can tolerate more carbs. Maybe not. As
Andrew says, eat and then test and then see what happens.
Cheers!
Marsha
November 9th, 2003 at 6:47 am
HI Marsha
My concern is the grains and the sweets because I love them so much, Today i
had
B- bowl of cereal with milk and coffee
L- Salad with chicken strips and dressing, sf jello
S- orange
D- Chicken, sm. pot. and green beans and salad with dressing ww light bread.
So how did i do today?
I am so much trying to loose the weight also. I promise the endo doctor that
i wouldnt eat sweets.
November 9th, 2003 at 9:00 am
Hi Pat,
I can’t eat cereal. It spikes my bg something fierce. A cereal even Bernstein
can live with is the bran type (not the flakes) just the crunchy bran itself.
Unfortunately, we have been conditioned to eat grains and sweets and I
completely understand your desire to eat them!
Oranges are wonderful (although they give me a terrible acid stomach) but way
too high carb for me. If you can eat an orange and get away with it in terms of
bg then more power to you.
A good way to see how you are doing with your food choices is to test, then eat,
then test in 1 hour and 2 hours, like Andrew does. I got that from him.
Keep up the good work on carb reduction (I know you must have cut a lot already)
and calorie/portion control.
Marsha
November 9th, 2003 at 5:36 pm
Hi Rebecca,
The GI Bypass not only reduces the size of the stomach pouch to the size of
thumb but it reroutes intestines to cause malabsorbtion of the food that is able
to be eaten. My best friend at school is in quite a pickle after her GI Bypass
several years ago. She has terrible osteoporosis because of it - to the point
she is in danger of breaking her legs when she walks. I know other people who
have had it and lost a lot of weight and while they are happy with THAT they all
have health problems of one sort or another due to the malabsorbtion of
nutrients and their inability to take many medications - like the oral meds for
osteoporosis.
However, if you have a choice of dying really soon from complications of morbid
obesity or having a longer but perhaps medically compromised (to one extent or
another) life then a lot of people will understandably go for the surgery.
My friend lost 150 pounds, but the benefits of low blood pressure and lower
blood sugars have vanished and she is once more dealing with the same issues.
Also, most people with this surgery are extremely limited on what foods they can
eat - she can’t eat any fresh vegetables and fresh fruits like watermelon can
actually harm her. She actually had to go on a diet and restrict her intake
even more last semester to lose another 20 pounds. Plus it is not "easy" as they
require a lot of exercise and counseling. She has to work out more than I do
and gets less to eat by a long shot.
She can’t eat any red meat, can’t tolerate carbonated drinks, can’t eat any
dairy products now, tolerates fat very poorly, etc. So GI Bypass is something
that is necessary for those who must have it, but I suspect that most people
think it is a way to stop their compulsive eating. I also have a friend who has
stretched her stomach out three times and gone through successively more
restrictive GI bypasses - she does not get her compulsive overeating dealt with.
I’m 5′3" and 265 - so I’m a candidate, but not a willing one. Too many deaths
of complications for me. In Boston they shut one of the programs down for
awhile there were so many deaths - and they don’t count the deaths that take
place a few weeks after the surgery from infections, which diabetics are more
prone to. The more I learned, the less I wanted to risk it.
So, I’m eating far less, exercising far more, etc.
Be well!
Marsha
November 11th, 2003 at 6:58 pm
HI marsha
I have cut some stuff out. But this morning my sugar was 216 and i am still
working on the new meds. Yesterday i took 3 pills at bedtime and the day
before the day the doc gave them to me i took 2 NOw by the end of the week i
am
suppose to be up to the 4 a day.
I am jsust trying to do what i think is right until i see the dietian on
FRiday.
This morning i had
Eggs and sausage and pepper omlet with ww english muffin with SF jelly.
November 12th, 2003 at 2:23 pm
Hi Pat,
In my experience, changes don’t take place overnight, even if you make radical
changes in your diet. And, honestly, if you went from 200+ to 83 (normal) you’d
feel as if you were having a hypo and be pretty miserable. Even Berstein moves
people down slowly over a period of weeks.
Personally, if my BG was that high and I was taking a lot of meds I’d start
checking for reactions to grains or other foods. So test before eating, then 1
hour and 2 hours after to see if you are getting a spike in BG.
ww (weight watchers?) English muffin may have high carbs. Consider a low-carb
one, if you can find one. Or make yourself a cheese puff and leave the English
muffin out of your food plan just to see what happens. However, if there is no
BG bump after eating that then maybe you just need to wrestle your BG down using
eating methods over the long haul.
Try counting carbs and see how many you are taking in during a meal. An egg is
about 1 CHO, for instance. If you have 2 eggs and 3 grams CHO with the veggies
and then 20 grams of muffin it may be the problem regarding the high BG.
I tried to get the nutritional data on the Weight Watcher’s Muffin but can’t
find it - maybe Netzer’s newest book would have it.
Good fortune to you.
Marsha
November 13th, 2003 at 1:03 am
HI Marsha
It was a whole wheat english muffin? I cant eat weight watchers due to it
not being whole grain.
November 13th, 2003 at 3:17 am
Oh, I thought WW meant weight watchers.
Thomas has a low carb English muffin, in case you were unaware. Also, there is
Atkins style low carb bread. In our area it is made by Arnolds - probaby the
best one on the market. There is a huge difference in number of carbs per slice
or muffin.
A regular English muffin has about 25 grams of CHO and can cause spikes in BG
both on the upswing and the downturn (if you have a downturn). Most sugar free
jam and jelly I’ve seen has at least 5 grams CHO so that’s 30 grams CHO in one
spot.
When I have more time I’ll see if I can find the data on how much that amount of
CHO raises BG. If you are adequately covering with medication/insulin then
maybe it is okay.
I found another site for Whole Wheat - the bread has 13 grams CHO per slice and
9 more calories per slice than the Arnolds. The question is then - can you deal
with the extra carbs in the bread? I dunno. I can’t, perhaps you can. If you
can, you’re a lucky person.
Marsha
post parandial drop of 37 mg/dl after breakfast using byetta
No nausea
No sore tummy
So far so good
November 13th, 2003 at 11:52 am
Hi Annie,
I’ve been known to refuse to eat unless given what I feel I can eat safely.
Give me water, thanks, I’ll go hungry first.
Hosptials are well known as places that do not treat diabetics properly in many
ways - bad management of basal insulin during surgeries, horrific food plans,
badly educated nutritionists, etc. It is amazing how seemingly well educated
medical personnel can be so incredibly badly informed.
Stubborn –> Marsha
Marsha
November 14th, 2003 at 7:04 am
my guess would have been whole wheat
November 14th, 2003 at 7:58 pm
marsha,
i was in a week in november and i don’t think i ate a
meal the entire time i was there. that was when the
doctor put me on byetta. i had never even heard of
it.he knows the obsticles i face and keeps trying to
figure out what to do with me.
November 15th, 2003 at 4:00 pm
Marsha, I find that I can tolerate Ezekiel bread, and the new Squirrel
bread from Costco. I do well with any kind of beans and oats. I do my
worst with white bread products and potatoes. I’m semi-OK with them with
the Byetta, if I have half a muffin, for example. The meter tells all. LOL
November 16th, 2003 at 12:57 pm
Hi Janie,
I went and looked at it with hope - but it is made from grain and I’m allergic
to wheat so it is out. I hope others may be able to use it. I’m actually
better off with table sugar than breads, pastas, etc. - Marsha
November 16th, 2003 at 5:15 pm
Interestingly enough, I have a bit more hunger with byetta than without it - but
my BG is going down and I’ll take hoodia when I get home if I am still troubled
by hunger.
Byetta also doesn’t impede my ability to eat - but maybe it is because I don’t
eat all that much to begin with. Maybe if I tried to eat more it would be a
problem? Well, it is a problem I can do without. I had a couple of ounces of
steak at 10:30 and had no trouble eating it - it was preemptive eating because I
was going to be taking a 2.5 hour test during normal eating time.
I’m a bit hungry now, but it has been many hours since I had real ™ food in
my tummy. Just drank an Atkins drink as I am here until 8 p.m. tonight and I
figure I need something more on my stomach. I think I have 1/2 a protein bar in
the car and I may bet that too.
I wish our "cafeteria" actually had something besides high carb vending machine
items.
Marsha
November 17th, 2003 at 6:41 am
Marsha, can you eat wheat-free bread made from flax seed? My mom gave us
a loaf. We loved it, and it didn’t have the texture of rubber. It didn’t
spike my readings, either. I think she got it at Costco.
November 17th, 2003 at 12:22 pm
Hi Pat,
I agree with your decision to wait on the bypass surgery. I entered the
pre-surgery program prior to starting Byetta. Part of the prep is to lose
10% of my body weight so that the surgeons have a better chance of being
able to perform the surgery by laparoscopy. At 400 pounds, my goal is to
lose 40 pounds. Being on Byetta has made staying on the diet much easier.
They recommended an 1800 calorie diet, but I am averaging around 1500.
I’ve just completed the last of my evaluations (psych & cardio) so the next
step will be for them to submit the request to my insurance company to make
sure they’ll pay for it.
Since starting Byetta, I have hope that I can lose the weight on my own
without the surgery. I’ve always believed that the surgery should be the
last drastic measure, and I’m just not there yet.
Roy
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I will be starting Byetta on Friday after i see the dietian at my endo
doctor. She said it would help with weight loss. In the beginning of
the appointment she suggested Gastric baypass. I told her no for now.
I have been through alot of surergies and i dont want to put my husband
through that again. Unless it is my last hope.
She just told me to cut out sweets, and eat whole grains instead of
white.
What should i be eating? I am on blood pressure meds. Clostriol meds,
and metformin.
Pat
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Rebecca
The surgery works in two ways. First, it makes your stomach very small so
that what food you eat triggers the receptors at the top of the stomach to
make you feel full. Second, it shortens the length of the small intestine
that is exposed to the food you eat, so not all the food you do eat is
absorbed before it reaches the large intestine.
What I found out in the pre-surgery classes is that the surgery won’t do it
by itself. Several people have had the surgery and have gained weight after
the initial loss. This is because they don’t adhere to the lifestyle change
that will keep them from ingesting more calories than they burn.
This is a very simplistic explanation, but you get the idea.
I’m hoping that with the help of Byetta, that I will be able to make the
lifestyle change without the surgery.
Roy
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So someone who does the bypass surgery has lack of ability to absorb
thier food???
I don’t think i need it, but its been mentioned to me. i’m 5′ and 206.
I also saw a new Endo today. loved him! he wanted me to go up on to the
10 mcg Byetta. So we’ll see. Was thinking of double injecting the last
bit of 5 i have. maybe a 5 in morning and 10 at night. what do you think?
He also put me on Amaryl Solfonyrea as he feels it should help bring
down, what the Byetta hasnt. He sent me for tests and i go back next week.
Rebecca
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November 17th, 2003 at 7:03 pm
Hi Janie,
I can eat flax seed, but only in tiny amounts because it gives me the runs.
Forget prunes, flax seed does it for me. I found that out years ago when I
tried to use flax seed oil in my diet. Natural laxative, least for me.
I have a good flax muffin recipe that does not taste gross (like most of them
tend to taste) if you want it.
In large part, I have simply given up on bread-like objects as more trouble than
they are worth. I have my sandwiches of meat trimmings on one or two cheese
puffs and I’m happy. In fact, my sandwiches are sometimes meat rolled up in
slices of cheese or filling rolled up in lettuce. I can eat peanut butter off a
spoon.
I figure I’d have been much better off to be born before agriculture/grain
revolution took place about 10,000 years ago. (wry smile)
Marsha
November 17th, 2003 at 10:30 pm
Roy, your going to have to keep us posted as you go through this whole
process. I hope that both the byetta and the surgery get you the results
your looking for.
Jeanna
Rebecca
The surgery works in two ways. First, it makes your stomach very
small so
that what food you eat triggers the receptors at the top of the
stomach to
make you feel full. Second, it shortens the length of the small
intestine
that is exposed to the food you eat, so not all the food you do eat
is
absorbed before it reaches the large intestine.
What I found out in the pre-surgery classes is that the surgery won’t
do it
by itself. Several people have had the surgery and have gained weight
after
the initial loss. This is because they don’t adhere to the lifestyle
change
that will keep them from ingesting more calories than they burn.
This is a very simplistic explanation, but you get the idea.
I’m hoping that with the help of Byetta, that I will be able to make
the
lifestyle change without the surgery.
Roy
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So someone who does the bypass surgery has lack of ability to absorb
thier food???
I don’t think i need it, but its been mentioned to me. i’m 5′ and
206.
I also saw a new Endo today. loved him! he wanted me to go up on to
the
10 mcg Byetta. So we’ll see. Was thinking of double injecting the
last
bit of 5 i have. maybe a 5 in morning and 10 at night. what do you
think?
He also put me on Amaryl Solfonyrea as he feels it should help bring
down, what the Byetta hasnt. He sent me for tests and i go back next
week.
Rebecca
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November 18th, 2003 at 5:34 am
I’m hoping that the Byetta will work well enough that I can skip the
surgery. But I’ll keep you posted either way.
Roy
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Roy, your going to have to keep us posted as you go through this whole
process. I hope that both the byetta and the surgery get you the results
your looking for.
Jeanna
Rebecca
The surgery works in two ways. First, it makes your stomach very
small so
that what food you eat triggers the receptors at the top of the
stomach to
make you feel full. Second, it shortens the length of the small
intestine
that is exposed to the food you eat, so not all the food you do eat
is
absorbed before it reaches the large intestine.
What I found out in the pre-surgery classes is that the surgery won’t
do it
by itself. Several people have had the surgery and have gained weight
after
the initial loss. This is because they don’t adhere to the lifestyle
change
that will keep them from ingesting more calories than they burn.
This is a very simplistic explanation, but you get the idea.
I’m hoping that with the help of Byetta, that I will be able to make
the
lifestyle change without the surgery.
Roy
_____
So someone who does the bypass surgery has lack of ability to absorb
thier food???
I don’t think i need it, but its been mentioned to me. i’m 5′ and
206.
I also saw a new Endo today. loved him! he wanted me to go up on to
the
10 mcg Byetta. So we’ll see. Was thinking of double injecting the
last
bit of 5 i have. maybe a 5 in morning and 10 at night. what do you
think?
He also put me on Amaryl Solfonyrea as he feels it should help bring
down, what the Byetta hasnt. He sent me for tests and i go back next
week.
Rebecca
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November 19th, 2003 at 1:08 am
I know nursing homes are bad. I used to be a nursing home social worker for the
state who did investigations in nursing homes and once was part of an
investigation that shut one down. That isn’t all nursing homes are up to that’s
unethical and I believe they are worse now than then in many respects.
One of the problems is that that people do not confront bad medical
care/doctors, etc. and therefore nothing gets done. I have walked out of
medical appointments, fired doctors, etc. and everyone is amazed when it
happens. I’ve reported doctors to licensing agencies and once filed a complaint
with a D.A. for a doctor violating confidentiality.
Nursing homes are able to have their incorporated little toes held to the fire
too - it is just rarely done because patients often have little power.
Marsha
November 19th, 2003 at 5:26 am
Darn! I forgot to take it when I got home (before dinner) - not that I had much
- maybe 2 ounces of stir fried veggies and about 20 minutes later 6 oz tuna with
2 teaspoons of mayo. My BG went from 136 to 171. I did the injection late
(better late than never) and will post a sign on the door to remind myself.
Does anyone get cramping in the muscles after the injection?
Does anyone get what appears to be a bead of liquid on top of the injection
site?
I watched the needle go in, held down the plunger for a count of 10 and yet
there was that bead of clear liquid. Very strange.
I notice that when I turn the clicker to 5 that it starts beading up liquid on
the needle tip - wonder if it is slightly defective? The box was slightly
crushed and some of the shipment that went to the store was totally ruined by
the shipper (crushed) but my pen actually appears okay.
Marsha
November 19th, 2003 at 1:43 pm
Pleased to report 24lbs since Jan (20 of it IN Jan right after starting the
10 pen Christmas) and 64lbs total since 2003. That’s 13 inches in my waist.
Fasting Bgs dropped from 350s to more like 170s.
Carl E. Moore www.dcfx.com/cmoore
November 20th, 2003 at 12:43 am
Hi Marsha
Sorry i wasnt on after work. I was to tired. OK I will have to look into
the Adktins bread. I didnt realize it had that much difference in carbs.
November 20th, 2003 at 3:50 pm
Hi Pat,
Understood - days can be long and tiring. I tried to find the low-carb english
muffins last night and could not. However, the ATkins bread and other low carb
breads are still around as is the low-carb Atkins milk. You can trim lots of
carbs using products like that. - Marsha
Sorry i wasnt on after work. I was to tired. OK I will have to look into
the Adktins bread. I didnt realize it had that much difference in carbs.
Pat
November 20th, 2003 at 7:09 pm
Great job Carl !!!!!!
Jeanna
Pleased to report 24lbs since Jan (20 of it IN Jan right after starting
the
10 pen Christmas) and 64lbs total since 2003. That’s 13 inches in my
waist.
Fasting Bgs dropped from 350s to more like 170s.
Carl E. Moore www.dcfx.com/cmoore
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November 21st, 2003 at 6:48 am
Hi Marsha
Will check into it since i will be going shopping after the dietian
appointment.
November 22nd, 2003 at 2:46 am
Marsha, I’d love to have the flax seed recipe, thanks!
November 22nd, 2003 at 1:50 pm
Marsha,
Would you please share your Flax seed recipe with me too.
Thank you in advance.
Linda From Southern Ontario
Janie
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November 24th, 2003 at 10:07 am
Stacey,
I don’t recommend weight reduction surgery. In fact, after going through
vicarious hell with my friends, I am exceptionally leery of it and would
consider it only under far more serious circumstances than I am in now.
However, there are studies which demonstrate that underfeeding extends life
expectancy. I believe they are eating around 800 calories a day of balanced
nutrition - protein, fat, vegetables, fruits and probably grain products as they
are relatively low calorie. I can’t say as I have the documentation at hand
right now, but I’ve seen a lot of research on it. Actually, the medical
research I have read says that 800 is the cutoff line for a protein sparing diet
and that’s a line I don’t go below unless I have flu or something and am
upchucking.
For me, it seems to be the only thing that will work to lose weight - and I have
a desire to lose weight and be healthy, so I will continue to do so. When I
used to weigh 110 pounds I was certainly a great deal healthier than I am now -
no problems with diabetes or blood pressure. Nowadays, I get more vegetables in
my diet than many vegetarians do and I’m not anemic nor do I have problems with
osteoporosis.
Part of the severe malnutrtion problems in places like Africa is that when they
do get food it is western, carbed up food like wheat, which contains minimial
nutritients. If we could airlift them their traditional foods theyd’ be fine,
but we don’t and they don’t get sufficient protein and nutrients from what
little they do get after their govermnents rip them off.
And that amount is considered starvation and a reason to give people food in
Africa and other places where people are starving. It isn’t healthy, and it
requires that one be on lots of supplements and vitamins forever, while
still suffering some of the effects of starving themselves. And we have no
idea
of whether one lives any longer with it anyway. Keep it away from me, I have
no desire to be forced into anorexia under any circumstances, and I say that
as a very fat woman who no longer tries to lose weight on purpose.
Stacey
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November 25th, 2003 at 3:53 pm
I wouldn’t do it.
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Stacey,
I don’t recommend weight reduction surgery. In fact, after going through
vicarious hell with my friends, I am exceptionally leery of it and would
consider it only under far more serious circumstances than I am in now.